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brainwipe ◴[] No.42116539[source]
IMO education is still built around Victorian structures and needs to be reworked from examinations downwards. Examinations are an exercise in being good at examinations, not proficiency in the subject. Once you strip that away the you wind back all the structures that feed it. You can see this working at schools designed for the neuro diverse. Those students simply can't sit and listen to a teacher all day, so each student learns in their own way and are better of for it.

Arguing about the effectiveness of edtech is like complaining there wasn't a viola on the Titanic's band.

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LargeWu ◴[] No.42116594[source]
What, specifically, is an example of an exam not measuring proficiency? If an exam is well designed, the student will need to figure out what is being asked and use their mastery to provide an answer.
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csa ◴[] No.42116832[source]
> What, specifically, is an example of an exam not measuring proficiency

Not op, but a few examples:

1. Test structures that reward good time management. The paper SAT is a good example of this. The early items in a section are (were?) easy, the middle items were medium difficulty, and the toughest items were towards the end. A good test take would manage their time so that they spent the most amount of time on questions that could improve their scores — later questions for high achievers, but the middle questions for folks who were missing a lot of questions in that range.

2. Test structures that reward endurance. Again, SAT is a good example. How often have examinees sat down in a multi-hour high-stakes testing situation before taking the SAT. “Not often enough to feel comfortable” is usually the answer. I have taken some foreign language proficiency tests that were also multi-hour long endeavors. I practiced answer old exam questions in a testing environment, so the tests were easy for me. Some of my peers did not, and fatigue seemed to be a part of their challenge.

3. I took some “issue spotter” tests in college. I had never heard of or seen an issue spotter test before. I bombed my first one. My professor kindly walked me through things he knew I knew the answers to that would what given me credit. I aced all future issue-spotter exams. Side note: familiarity with test/question format seems to matter for better students, but it largely doesn’t for unmotivated students. Many studies on familiarity with test/question format show no correlation, but my personal experience (as a test giver) is that this is due to lumping the unmotivated and ambivalent examinees with the folks who notice, care, and take action.

There are many more answers to your question, but the above are few decent examples.

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JasserInicide ◴[] No.42117345[source]
I think the SAT is a ludicrous setup given that most people never see anything like it in their lives again but the practice of studying for passing an exam of some kind is an absolutely invaluable skill
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1. csa ◴[] No.42117654[source]
> I think the SAT is a ludicrous setup given that most people never see anything like it in their lives again

Yeah, I guess.

I think the issue is that the folks best suited to get the most out of college don’t really need to prep much to absolutely crush the SAT.

Most people are just woefully underprepared.

> but the practice of studying for passing an exam of some kind is an absolutely invaluable skill

Yep. Learning how to study, learn, and prep for a test are good skills to have.

That said, for folks who have done well in a semi-rigorous school environment and read the right things (high-brow periodicals), very little test prep is actually needed to get them close to their theoretical max score.

There are a few catches, though:

- Some people in the US have an incredibly irrational fear of math.

- The math curriculum is super-slow and limited for those who like math, often turning them away from it (or at least the high school math classes).

- Most folks have no idea what university-level literacy looks like. Doing things like reading “high-brow” periodicals gives high school students most of the vocab and text structures covered in the SAT.