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lukev ◴[] No.42071345[source]
There's something missing from this discussion.

What really matters isn't how secure this is on an absolute scale, or how much one can trust Apple.

Rather, we should weigh this against what other cloud providers offer.

The status quo for every other provider is: "this data is just lying around on our servers. The only thing preventing a employee from accessing it is that it would be a violation of policy (and might be caught in an internal audit.)" Most providers also carve out several cases where they can look at your data, for support, debugging, or analytics purposes.

So even though the punchline of "you still need to trust Apple" is technically true, this is qualitatively different because what would need to occur for Apple to break their promises here is so much more drastic. For other services to leak their data, all it takes is for one employee to do something they shouldn't. For Apple, it would require a deliberate compromise of the entire stack at the hardware level.

This is very much harder to pull off, and more difficult to hide, and therefore Apple's security posture is qualitatively better than Google, Meta or Microsoft.

If you want to keep your data local and trust no-one, sure, fine, then you don't need to trust anyone else at all. But presuming you (a) are going to use cloud services and (b) you care about privacy, Apple has a compelling value proposition.

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1. 0xEF ◴[] No.42075160[source]
You raise the question I ask every time I spin up a VPS on one of the providers I use; do I trust this company? There's still no clear rules that say Apple, Akamai, AWS, etc have to protect me or my data if the right people start asking questions. I'm less worried about any hackers these days, since my dumb little projects aren't likely worth their time, but more worried about gov'ts that are increasingly surveillance-oriented who have an active interest in categorizing people into boxes. If I want to run a private alternative to Discord, for example, where I can safely express my dissent among friends and family who also have access, I can't really do it without going to the trouble of setting up my own hardware, first.

Companies like Apple do try to protect their users, and I applaud them for that, but what happens when (not if) they flip?