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Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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460 points paulpauper | 3 comments | 06 Nov 24 17:14 UTC | HN request time: 0.412s | source
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FigurativeVoid ◴[06 Nov 24 20:22 UTC] No.42068747[source]▶
When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone.

If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence.

Recently they have all agreed that voter ID laws "just make sense." But they don't even bring up any of the unpleasant history around IDs.

When DeSantis was running, they didn't ever talk about him flying immigrant around as a horrible political stunt.

They've been leaning closer and closer to anti vax stances.

I still listen.. but I'll probably stop soon. It's becoming a bro podcast.

David Friedberg has the best mind for evidence, and he speaks less and less.

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WillPostForFood ◴[06 Nov 24 20:46 UTC] No.42069093[source]▶
Recently they have all agreed that voter ID laws "just make sense." But they don't even bring up any of the unpleasant history around IDs.

This year is the 80th anniversary of the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, do they really need to go through the history of IDs? We need to rebuild confidence in the integrity of elections, Voter ID, which most democratic countries require, seems like an incredibly modest step.

The states that historically had the worst race issues all have voter id anyway, it is the Northeast and West coast that are refusing.

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troyvit ◴[06 Nov 24 21:03 UTC] No.42069355[source]▶
> We need to rebuild confidence in the integrity of elections, Voter ID, which most democratic countries require, seems like an incredibly modest step.

People didn't lose confidence in the integrity of elections because our elections lack integrity, they lost confidence because they were told in a way that resonates with them that our elections lack integrity.

Voter ID would just be security theater in that it's an onerous rule that does nothing to help any actual problem aside from making things look better to some people.

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MyFedora ◴[06 Nov 24 21:19 UTC] No.42069572[source]▶
I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. I'm not American, but can someone explain why it wouldn't make sense to lose confidence in elections when gerrymandering and the electoral college skew the results so much? Sure, votes are technically counted, but if the system is set up so that those votes don't really impact the outcome the way you'd expect, isn't that a pretty valid reason to feel disillusioned?
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hellotomyrars ◴[06 Nov 24 21:26 UTC] No.42069678[source]▶
The GP isn't making a statement about how voters feel disillusioned in the electoral process in general. They are making a statement about how one of the two political parties has spent 4 years telling their supporters that the 2020 election was stolen because of rampant voter fraud.

It doesn't even matter if you agree with the claims that were made about voter fraud, I can't think of any good faith argument by literally anyone on the political compass that it didn't cause people to lose faith in electoral process.

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lmm ◴[07 Nov 24 01:31 UTC] No.42072289[source]▶
> It doesn't even matter if you agree with the claims that were made about voter fraud, I can't think of any good faith argument by literally anyone on the political compass that it didn't cause people to lose faith in electoral process.

Maybe people shouldn't have faith in the electoral process, and the way to rebuild confidence in the integrity of the electoral process is to rebuild the integrity of the electoral process first and tell people about it second.

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parasubvert ◴[07 Nov 24 03:55 UTC] No.42073226[source]▶
That would make sense if there was an actual argument for the process being compromised. But there isn’t. You can rebuild it and be accused of inserting back doors. There’s no win - the whole argument is that the process is sound if a certain party wins, if that party loses, then the process is corrupt.

Notice how there’s no cries of election integrity problems for this election? Because the “right” party won.

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1. throwaway-blaze ◴[07 Nov 24 06:32 UTC] No.42074037[source]▶
You must not read lefty X / Twitter where they're wondering where 15mm voters went from last time.
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2. nerdponx ◴[07 Nov 24 06:36 UTC] No.42074054[source]▶
They stayed home.

Ironic though because lefty social media just spent a solid year telling people that both candidates were trash and Gaza would suffer regardless of who got elected.

3. antonyt ◴[07 Nov 24 14:21 UTC] No.42076853[source]▶
What lefty twitter tweets is irrelevant. Are the losing party's establishment and candidate crying foul and mobilizing crony media to cast doubt on the election's legitimacy? Because in 2020 that's what happened.

We have multiple sitting Congressmen and other government officials still refusing to admit Trump lost in 2020.