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Trudeau government bans TikTok from operating in Canada

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747 points empressplay | 19 comments | 06 Nov 24 23:04 UTC | HN request time: 2.306s | source | bottom
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not2b ◴[07 Nov 24 00:01 UTC] No.42071538[source]▶
Instead of the laser focus on TikTok as a threat, it would be better for the US and Canada to have real data protection laws that would apply equally to TikTok, Meta, Google, Apple, and X. What the EU has done is far from perfect but it bans the worst practices. The Chinese can buy all of the information they want on Americans and Canadians from ad brokers, who will happily sell them everything they need to track individuals' locations.

Perhaps the way to get anti-regulation politicians on board with this is for someone to do what was done to Robert Bork and legally disclose lots of personal info on members of Congress/Parliament, obtained from data brokers and de-anonymized.

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imgabe ◴[07 Nov 24 00:03 UTC] No.42071557[source]▶
It is not about the data. It’s about a foreign government controlling the algorithm that decides what millions of people see, and their ability to shape public opinion through that.

Like imagine if China owned CNN and the New York Times and decided what stories they could publish.

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bhouston ◴[07 Nov 24 00:58 UTC] No.42072050[source]▶
> Like imagine if China owned CNN and the New York Times and decided what stories they could publish.

It is happening on our local platforms here. Meta, based in the US, is systematically censoring Palestinian content that would otherwise be available here in Canada.

Details:

* https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...

* https://theintercept.com/2024/10/21/instagram-israel-palesti...

For a very recent example, one of the few remaining prominent Palestinian journalists, with a following of over 1M on Meta, was banned today:

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/11/7/al-jaze...

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1. stickfigure ◴[07 Nov 24 03:19 UTC] No.42073009[source]▶
The majority of Canadians share the majority of Americans' view of the Middle East.

The majority of Canadians share the majority of Americans' view of China.

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2. forgotoldacc ◴[07 Nov 24 03:24 UTC] No.42073044[source]▶
Which gives us a cyclical problem. Do they share those views because American media has so much influence in Canada? Or does American media have influence in Canada because they Americans and Canadians have shared views?

Neighbors in Asia and Europe often have completely unaligned political politics due to a language and media barrier. Even the US and everything south of Texas don't align as much as the US and Canada.

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3. aprilthird2021 ◴[07 Nov 24 05:00 UTC] No.42073553[source]▶
Which has nothing to do with censorship on social media. Censorship is okay if it matches what people want to see? Sounds like China justifications...
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4. lazystar ◴[07 Nov 24 05:52 UTC] No.42073806[source]▶
some amount of censorship is unavoidable. when nation state A is in control of the censorship, and designs that censorship to intentionally hurt nation state B, then nation state B has every right to ban the platform that nation state A is using to push it's agenda.
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5. lowdest ◴[07 Nov 24 05:52 UTC] No.42073810[source]▶
No. US and Canada share a language and have historically intermingled their populations significantly. We're the same because we have largely similar daily lives as individuals, we have similar problems, and we're populated by people of similar origins. If, for example, conditions caused our paths to diverge, an extreme example would be the split between East and West Germany, then you would expect differing views. Even prior to modern media we were very similar peoples.
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6. logicchains ◴[07 Nov 24 06:14 UTC] No.42073921{3}[source]▶
What matters is the people of the nation state, and censorship by their own government depriving them of information is absolutely hurting them. Government only censors people when uncensored information would cause their interests to conflict with those of the people in power.
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7. Loic ◴[07 Nov 24 06:32 UTC] No.42074032{3}[source]▶
Une partie du Canada ne parle pas Anglais.
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8. corimaith ◴[07 Nov 24 09:23 UTC] No.42075084{4}[source]▶
No information is being deprived, you can read up all you want in more detail than in TikTok. Rather it's the argument to lazily consume 2 minute bites as a replacement for in-depth study.
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9. bhouston ◴[07 Nov 24 11:08 UTC] No.42075629[source]▶
> The majority of Canadians share the majority of Americans' view of the Middle East.

Almost 50% of Canadians believes Israel is committing genocide in Gaza: https://www.readthemaple.com/polls-show-gap-between-canadian...

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10. boffinAudio ◴[07 Nov 24 11:42 UTC] No.42075806{3}[source]▶
Censorship is fascism. If you want bad ideas to die, let them be examined and discussion to proceed. When you censor ideas you don't like, you give them a safe environment to foster.
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12. infecto ◴[07 Nov 24 12:24 UTC] No.42076015{4}[source]▶
Yes ~9% of the Canadian population is unable to hold a conversation in English. We are talking about the other 90%.
13. hnbad ◴[07 Nov 24 12:28 UTC] No.42076051[source]▶
IIRC similar polling in the US led to similar results so the claim is not wrong even if the implication was likely that the majority of Americans support Israel.
14. ImPostingOnHN ◴[07 Nov 24 13:26 UTC] No.42076450{5}[source]▶
> No information is being deprived

It seems censorship is indeed being conducted, as described here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42072050

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15. lazystar ◴[07 Nov 24 15:20 UTC] No.42077393{6}[source]▶
youre ignoring my point to such a degree that it seems intentional. ill have to assume that you either work for a nation state, or you have a third grade education level.
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16. ImPostingOnHN ◴[07 Nov 24 15:31 UTC] No.42077493{7}[source]▶
I actually replied to someone else, not you. I'm not aware of any point you have because I haven't read anything you've posted. Given your attitude here, it seems like that's for the best. Perhaps you meant to reply to someone else, too?
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17. aprilthird2021 ◴[07 Nov 24 18:28 UTC] No.42079376{3}[source]▶
No it doesn't. When the citizens of nation state B have the right to freedom of speech and freedom to consume foreign-controlled media, then nation state B does not have the rights you outlined over its people.
18. lazystar ◴[08 Nov 24 03:24 UTC] No.42083805{8}[source]▶
sorry, its been a long couple of days. my apologies
19. balex ◴[08 Nov 24 06:26 UTC] No.42084659[source]▶
Source? And what are these consensus opinions? (Honest questions)