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Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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460 points paulpauper | 5 comments | 06 Nov 24 17:14 UTC | HN request time: 0.844s | source
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FigurativeVoid ◴[06 Nov 24 20:22 UTC] No.42068747[source]▶
When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone.

If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence.

Recently they have all agreed that voter ID laws "just make sense." But they don't even bring up any of the unpleasant history around IDs.

When DeSantis was running, they didn't ever talk about him flying immigrant around as a horrible political stunt.

They've been leaning closer and closer to anti vax stances.

I still listen.. but I'll probably stop soon. It's becoming a bro podcast.

David Friedberg has the best mind for evidence, and he speaks less and less.

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WillPostForFood ◴[06 Nov 24 20:46 UTC] No.42069093[source]▶
Recently they have all agreed that voter ID laws "just make sense." But they don't even bring up any of the unpleasant history around IDs.

This year is the 80th anniversary of the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, do they really need to go through the history of IDs? We need to rebuild confidence in the integrity of elections, Voter ID, which most democratic countries require, seems like an incredibly modest step.

The states that historically had the worst race issues all have voter id anyway, it is the Northeast and West coast that are refusing.

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jmyeet ◴[06 Nov 24 21:55 UTC] No.42070091[source]▶
> Voter ID, which most democratic countries require, seems like an incredibly modest step.

As always, you should ask "what purpose does this serve?" Do we need voter ID laws? Well, is there a widespread voter fraud problem? No [1].

When you declare something to be "common sense", you betray either a lack of knowledge of why something is the way it is, you know why it's like that but you're willing to lie about it to push an agenda or you have a position of privilege where something doesn't affect you so you just don't care.

So if voter fraud isn't a widespread problem, you should then ask who is pushing for this and why? Also, why are things the way they are?

A big part is that as many as 7% of Americans don't have the documents required to prove their birth or citizenship [2]. So Voter ID laws disenfranchise a right (voting) to millions of people.

Voter ID is really about voter suppression. Why? Because you need ID to register and vote. If you don't have it, you lose that right. If you think those people are more likely to vote against your interests, you do what you can do make sure they can't vote.

As a real example, Alabama has Voter ID laws but in certain counties that have a large black population, the DMV (where you would have to go to get a valid ID) was only open one day a month [3].

That's entirely intentional. Make it difficult to get an ID then it's less likely you'll vote.

[1]: https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-c...

[2]: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/mill...

[3]: https://www.governing.com/archive/drivers-license-offices-wi...

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tmn ◴[06 Nov 24 22:26 UTC] No.42070486[source]▶
You’re going to lose people at the first point. You don’t believe there is fraud. But others do (or believe there could be in the future)
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1. Lord-Jobo ◴[07 Nov 24 02:16 UTC] No.42072597[source]▶
His first point was sourced with evidence, something every single one of these "believers" has failed to produce, time and time again .
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2. tmn ◴[07 Nov 24 03:55 UTC] No.42073223[source]▶
I don't have a horse in this race. I just think it's easy to find stuff online to back whatever you want to back.

https://electionfraud.heritage.org/

Is the above site BS?

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3. jwiz ◴[07 Nov 24 04:23 UTC] No.42073386[source]▶
That site seems to be making the argument that there are non-zero amounts of voter fraud.

I don't think anybody thinks there is zero voter fraud.

The position of OP was that there is not widespread voter fraud.

4. runako ◴[07 Nov 24 05:09 UTC] No.42073599[source]▶
If you read through the examples on that site, it's actually pretty difficult to find any that have anything to do with ID. There's things like:

- felon (this appears to be far & away the most common)

- moved

- shouldn't have even been allowed to register

- voted twice

- illegally delivered absentee ballot for another person (while not claiming to be that person)

- etc.

The common theme, aside from the absolute rarity of these events (e.g. 36 total in GA over perhaps 40 million votes over ~25 years), is that none of them would be addressed by more stringent identity verification checks at either registration or at the polls.

Clicking through the site, I actually am unable to find a single instance where enhanced ID would have helped. Not saying they aren't in there, just that apparently they are very rare events, even in a dataset of extremely rare events.

5. jmyeet ◴[07 Nov 24 13:24 UTC] No.42076435[source]▶
> Is the above site BS?

Yes and no. Mostly yes [1].

The first thing to note is that it comes from the Heritage Foundation. Project 2025 [2] comes form the Heritage Foundation. Trump's 3 Supreme Court nominees were chosen from a Heritage Foundation list [3][4]. The Heritage Foundation is largely responsible folr the 50 year Republican project to turn the USA into (quite literally) a white theocracy.

Now that doesn't mean they're necessarily wrong. it's just like a reverse appeal to authority fallacy. But you should be immediately skeptical and scrutinize everything they say because there is obvious and historic bias.

Nobody, including myself, has calimed there is zero voter fraud. There are isolated cases and that's impossible to prevent. Interestingly, if you look into those individual cases, it's largely right-leaning people doing things like being registered in two states and voting twice or filling in their ailing parents' absentee ballots.

So the Heritage Foundation is just blowing isolated cases of voter fraud to imply it's a widespread problem in order to push an agenda aimed at voter suppression.

[1]: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/peop...

[2]: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FUL...

[3]: https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/cre...

[4]: https://www.heritage.org/impact/supreme-court-nominee-brett-...