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Trudeau government bans TikTok from operating in Canada

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423 points empressplay | 8 comments | 06 Nov 24 23:04 UTC | HN request time: 1.245s | source | bottom
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not2b ◴[07 Nov 24 00:01 UTC] No.42071538[source]▶
Instead of the laser focus on TikTok as a threat, it would be better for the US and Canada to have real data protection laws that would apply equally to TikTok, Meta, Google, Apple, and X. What the EU has done is far from perfect but it bans the worst practices. The Chinese can buy all of the information they want on Americans and Canadians from ad brokers, who will happily sell them everything they need to track individuals' locations.

Perhaps the way to get anti-regulation politicians on board with this is for someone to do what was done to Robert Bork and legally disclose lots of personal info on members of Congress/Parliament, obtained from data brokers and de-anonymized.

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imgabe ◴[07 Nov 24 00:03 UTC] No.42071557[source]▶
It is not about the data. It’s about a foreign government controlling the algorithm that decides what millions of people see, and their ability to shape public opinion through that.

Like imagine if China owned CNN and the New York Times and decided what stories they could publish.

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kaliqt ◴[07 Nov 24 00:26 UTC] No.42071772[source]▶
As opposed to the domestic government controlling the algorithm that decides what millions of people see, and their ability to shape public opinion through that.
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1. Synaesthesia ◴[07 Nov 24 00:53 UTC] No.42072000[source]▶
But what is out there on TikTok that's so dangerous to the state? Dance videos?
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2. kelseyfrog ◴[07 Nov 24 00:59 UTC] No.42072063[source]▶
The clearest way to look at this is through the lens of Althusser's Ideological State Apparatus(ISK). Media is one of the arms of the ISK. It's not necessarily that TikTok is foreign owned, it's that China's dominant ideology is incompatible with the western hegemony. The western ISK sees alternative ideologies as a threat and control over the arm of mass media is a concrete form of that threat. The ISK must have control over dominant forms of media in order to maintain ideological hegemony.
3. usr1106 ◴[07 Nov 24 01:19 UTC] No.42072212[source]▶
Making a whole generation unfit for qualified work is a serious threat for every nation.

Many of the Tiktok generation live in a world where reading for 3 minutes is a heavy effort they are unwilling to do. All information is supposed to be presented in short entertaining video clips.

In China online time for the youth has been strictly regulated years ago. But harming other nations is only in their interest.

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4. hooverd ◴[07 Nov 24 01:27 UTC] No.42072263[source]▶
How is that fundamentally different from Reels and Shorts and whatever Facebook has cooking?
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5. usr1106 ◴[07 Nov 24 01:52 UTC] No.42072431{3}[source]▶
Meta is not fundamentally better than Bytedance. Their business model is addiction combined with accumulating and misusing user data.
6. _ache_ ◴[07 Nov 24 01:58 UTC] No.42072465[source]▶
That's is an interesting question.

Actually, there is a lot more. About 30% people (of USA) use TT, ~60% under 30. You guess it, they don't to look only at dance videos. Social media had become a huge source of information for a big chunk of the population.

On TT, and on most social media (SM), what you watch is mainly determined by the recommendation algorithm. This algo can hide subjects the SM can't put ad on but also subjects the they don't like and boost the one they do (shadow ban). That how you politicize SM. That about, the first thing Musk did with Twitter (after firing people).

When it's a state controlled SM, it's more like foreign interference. There is a lot of books about that. It's documented, not a secret of something. Uyghurs for example, have been a subject of ban on TikTok, shadowing it heavily.

7. 7speter ◴[07 Nov 24 02:10 UTC] No.42072544{3}[source]▶
Facebook only started cooking those after they saw what tiktok posts were doing and how popular they were.
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8. FpUser ◴[07 Nov 24 03:17 UTC] No.42072997{4}[source]▶
Doe it make FB any better? The asshole is an asshole.