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Title drops in movies

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adriand ◴[] No.42060577[source]
How sure are we that these so-called title drops are what this article purports them to be rather than the name of the film coming from the content and/or dialogue that is contained within it?

An analogy: when someone writes a song and then they need to name it, they will frequently choose a word or phrase that appears in the lyrics. When Leonard Cohen sings “hallelujah” in the song of the same name, is that a “title drop”? I assume not.

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latexr ◴[] No.42060841[source]
> How sure are we that these so-called title drops are what this article purports them to be

What does the article purport them to be? Right at the top I see:

> A title drop is when a character in a movie says the title of the movie they're in.

That makes no distinction if the title or the script came first. The article does call out movies who do that in a cringe or obvious way (like Suicide Squad, which had prior art) but also includes movies where that is unavoidable, such as Barbie.

More importantly, it doesn’t matter which came first. As soon as you make a line and a title the same, the line becomes a title drop. The audience sees the final product, not the process.

> An analogy

That analogy doesn’t work. Songs are typically repetitive and a few minutes long. Everyone expects them to name the title. A movie, on the other hand, is an experience that asks suspension of disbelief from you, it tries to engross you in its world over the course of multiple hours. When a character title drops, in a second you’re suddenly and forcefully pulled back from the illusion and reminded you’re watching a movie.

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nkozyra ◴[] No.42060980[source]
> What does the article purport them to be? Right at the top I see:

It seems to imply a concerted effort to mention the title of the movie in the script in a meta, fourth wall breaking sort of way.

In some cases that's obviously true - Hot Tub Time Machine, Suicide Squad from their examples - but other times an untitled script just needs a title and it's plucked from the script.

I think there's a distinction there, because the latter is less of an Easter Egg sort of thing and more "ok now we need a title."

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latexr ◴[] No.42061377[source]
> It seems to imply a concerted effort to mention the title of the movie in the script in a meta, fourth wall breaking sort of way.

It makes zero difference to the movie watching experience if the script line came from the script or the other way around. While you’re watching the movie, the effect is exactly the same. So even if you took a line of dialog to make your title, it becomes a title drop nonetheless because the audience doesn’t know (nor should they care) which came first.

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1. metabagel ◴[] No.42061959{4}[source]
I don’t think anyone would regard using Barbie’s name in the movie as a title drop.
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2. latexr ◴[] No.42062679[source]
The article does:

> Unsurprisingly, movies named after one of their characters have an average of 24.7 title drops, more than twice as much as the usual 10.3.

And this thread started exactly with the point of what the article considers title drops.

The article also highlights the interesting case of “movies named after a character with single title drops”. I’m willing to bet that in those movies, if the name is proffered late enough in the runtime, it may feel like a title drop because the the audience suddenly becomes aware the name had never been said before. When the name is said all the time or once but too early (so you’ll be primed to expect it more often) then the effect is bound to be lessened.