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FuriouslyAdrift ◴[] No.41983561[source]
Everyone forgetting about Lisa Brummel and "stack ranking"?

That nearly ruined Microsoft...

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft-ditches-syst...

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fsckboy ◴[] No.41983931[source]
"grading on a curve" is a good idea, and if athletics wasn't run that way, nobody would watch.

that doesn't mean it's easy to implement, manage, or impossible to game, or that it plays nice wrt human factors, but to attack the core idea as essentially wrong is anti math, science, and rationality.

Microsoft always suffered from rewarding egotists and political animals over people who did actual work.

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lesuorac ◴[] No.41984436[source]
Athletics is an actual competition where the expectation is that "you win".

When you hire 12 baristas are they competing to make the most coffees or is their job to handle customer's orders? If their job isn't to compete with each other then don't stack rank them. Use other metrics like #of incorrect orders or w/e and decide what you think they should've done and if they did more than that give them a bonus. If they do less then maybe you need a new employee.

> Microsoft always suffered from rewarding egotists and political animals over people who did actual work.

That has nothing to do with grading on a curve. You can assign people to the top of a curve based on "egotist" criteria or based on "work". Nothing about a curve or stack ranking requires it to be based on "real work".

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randomdata ◴[] No.41985489[source]
> When you hire 12 baristas are they competing to make the most coffees or is their job to handle customer's orders?

Both? Handling customer orders is how the sport is played, but at the same time they are competing for the most points (money) in that gameplay.

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psunavy03 ◴[] No.41987306[source]
Why the hell are your baristas competing? Why are you not just measuring whether or not they are acceptably good at their jobs? If they are superior, promote them. If they are acceptably OK, keep them. If they suck, fire them. You shouldn't have to arbitrarily put someone at the bottom of the curve; that's ridiculous.
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randomdata ◴[] No.41987382[source]
> Why the hell are your baristas competing?

Because that's what is necessary in a market economy? If they don't put in effort to compete, the customer will find another team of baristas that will. It is not like it is hard to find another coffeeshop.

> you shouldn't have to arbitrarily put someone at the bottom of the curve

What is arbitrary about it? The reality is that more coffeeshops open than can actually be supported by coffee drinkers, so it is an economic necessity that some end up shuttering due to being at the "bottom of the curve".

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1. psunavy03 ◴[] No.41988943[source]
You compete with your competitors, not with your fellow employees. That's some dog-eat-dog toxic crap.