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legitster ◴[] No.41977299[source]
Having spent some time at the Microsoft campus, I can tell you this is basically the consensus view from employees today. Ballmer was not a cool, trendy, or fun CEO who people rallied behind - but he more or less "got the job done". He was the captain of a massive ship with a turning radius the size of a continent guiding it through icebergs.

Azure's success was specifically set in motion under Ballmer. Owed to the fact that it was developed to Microsoft's strengths (enterprise support) that it didn't piss off too many of their partners and sales channels. Same with Office 365 and all of their other successful services. None are glamourous - but all are impressive with how not awful they are given their design constraints.

Even things like Surface, while considered a failure, did its intended job of getting hardware partners to get their act together and make better consumer products.

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vjust ◴[] No.41978721[source]
Ballmer hated Linux & open source. He would've driven their cloud division to the ground trying to sell Windows servers in the cloud. It would've taken him another 20 years to accept that Linux was key to the cloud. VSCode (Visual Studio Code) - would never have taken birth. Microsoft survived and thrived once Ballmer had no option but leave.

In this era of Python development, Microsoft Windows still feels a step or two behind as far as using a Windows laptop for coding in the cloud. Python is the language of AI - not Asp.net, not C#. Ballmer would never have seen the writing on the wall. He would've pushed something wierd, like VBA .

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metadat ◴[] No.41978829[source]
I have as much disdain for the monkey man as the next OSS fan. But VSCode was always closed sourced crap at the arbitrary whims of a soulless zombie corp, and they never promised otherwise in a significant way. It's not relevant and not a good foundational signal or basis for any argument.
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Karrot_Kream ◴[] No.41980508[source]
... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode? It's MIT licensed. Or are we here to start GPL vs MIT for the 10,000th time?
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signa11 ◴[] No.41980860[source]
oh please :)

the old ‘embrace-extend-extinguish’ model is what it _truly_ is, f.e. , you cannot take extensions from m$ store and use it.

there have been large number of discussions around this topic, and folks have highlighted these concerns more articulately than i could ever hope to do.

take your pick.

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kristiandupont ◴[] No.41982822[source]
> ‘embrace-extend-extinguish’ model is what it _truly_ is

With this mindset, what could MS possibly create that wouldn't make you say this?

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mynameisash ◴[] No.41984839[source]
This definitely seems like an unfalsifiable proposition for the MS haters.

Microsoft does something shitty? See, they're a terrible company.

Microsoft does something awesome? Well, we're currently in the "embrace" or "extend", so they're a terrible company.

I'm as (or more) pessimistic than the next guy about the state of tech and capitalism, but at least give credit when and where credit's due.

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1. coretx ◴[] No.41988014{3}[source]
The destructive EEE strategy is replaced by a constructive poisoning the well strategy. That's arguably moral progress while there is no legal or financial incentive to do so. That's praise for Nadella, not Ballmer.