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legitster ◴[] No.41977299[source]
Having spent some time at the Microsoft campus, I can tell you this is basically the consensus view from employees today. Ballmer was not a cool, trendy, or fun CEO who people rallied behind - but he more or less "got the job done". He was the captain of a massive ship with a turning radius the size of a continent guiding it through icebergs.

Azure's success was specifically set in motion under Ballmer. Owed to the fact that it was developed to Microsoft's strengths (enterprise support) that it didn't piss off too many of their partners and sales channels. Same with Office 365 and all of their other successful services. None are glamourous - but all are impressive with how not awful they are given their design constraints.

Even things like Surface, while considered a failure, did its intended job of getting hardware partners to get their act together and make better consumer products.

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snowwrestler ◴[] No.41978547[source]
This is hindsight bias. Because other people took some of his later initiatives and made them successful, it’s tempting to look back and grant him these as wins.

We should resist that temptation and judge him on the results he delivered. MS was the essential tech company, king of the world, and under his leadership their innovation stalled, they lost in markets where they were leading, the stock stagnated, and huge piles of money were vaporized on acquisitions that were poorly planned or executed.

He tried to buy Yahoo for $44 billion! Only Yahoo’s greater idiocy saved him from that gargantuan mistake. And that was just one of many.

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nl ◴[] No.41979491[source]
Would Yahoo under different management have done better?

Yahoo.com remains the 8th most visited website on earth[1] (I had no idea until I read that on HN some months back). It sits between Wikipedia and Reddit.

[1] https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/

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1. toast0 ◴[] No.41980050[source]
Well, I think the Bing search deal would have been a lot different if Microsoft had owned Yahoo.

Yahoo management was looking to reduce the cost of running web search and advertising platforms, but ended up still having a large expense to crawl the web and basically do web search in order to enhance Bing results. And then the Microsoft ad market managed to be worse in all sorts of ways (for advertisers and publishers) compared to the existing yahoo one, plus Microsoft took a cut of the revenue. Some of that should have been better if it was one company; plus, I bet Microsoft would have sent Yahoo employees an Xbox360 or something. (I worked for Yahoo Travel from 2004-2011)