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chucke1992 ◴[] No.41977127[source]
The problem with Ballmer is that he missed a lot of opportunities.

Satya is much better in that regard.

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RandomThoughts3 ◴[] No.41977182[source]
Is he? What did he start? Most of MS current successes were launched under Ballmer most notably Azure.

Satya has been good with acquisitions but what else?

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chucke1992 ◴[] No.41977360[source]
But here is the thing - launching the initiative means nothing. Satya is able to expand and develop it.

Like with Ballmer we certainly would not have got O365 to iOS for example. It would be 100% bundled one way or another to Windows services or something or browser or whatever.

Even with Azure we would not have got such aggressive expansion and attempts to push services across Windows and Linux or playing with Open Source platforms like K8S. I think Ballmer was closer to the modern Google who is hell-bent on not using anything Windows.

Ballmer's attempt to buy Yahoo and disregard for touch screen phones is what defined his legacy. He was a good CFO who knew how to run business, but not a great CEO.

> Satya has been good with acquisitions but what else?

Ability to buy right things is important too. Like Ballmer wanted to buy Yahoo, while Satya bought Github. One cost 80b, while another created a whole foundation for Copilot push. Linkedin purchase was great and with OpenAI I am 100% sure that Ballmer would have missed AI train (like AWS did).

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RandomThoughts3 ◴[] No.41977441[source]
> Ballmer's attempt to buy Yahoo and disregard for touch screen phones is what defined his legacy.

You are weirdly obsessed with that but Ballmer actually started Bing and bought Nokia to make touchscreen phones. I think you are extremely biased to the point of being entirely disconnected from the facts at hand.

> Ability to buy right things is important too.

Ballmer bought Skype and launched the foundation of what would become Teams - you know - arguably the most important corporate piece of software after Covid.

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1. chucke1992 ◴[] No.41977736[source]
I am biased but I am not disconnected from the facts. I am still pissed at Ballmer with how they missed search and mobile market. They were late with Search and they were late with mobile.

With Teams it was just luck, but even then Team's growth happened years years after Ballmer and can be attributed to the multiplatform push of O365 by Satya.

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2. RandomThoughts3 ◴[] No.41977749[source]
Bing is insanely profitable. I fail to see how they missed search.

You are not disconnected from the facts but you happily discount Ballmer wins when they don’t suit your narrative.

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3. rawgabbit ◴[] No.41978374[source]
Azure Search is still broken FWIW. A lot of Azure is still vapor ware; it works in the tutorial but not in real life. Every time my company signs/re-up a contract with Microsoft, I die a little.
4. chucke1992 ◴[] No.41980924[source]
> Microsoft under Ballmer was insanely profitable, more than its competitors and far more than before he took the helm.

Being profitable means nothing if your marketshare in low 10%. You are leaning too much on "profit". Ballmer was a good CFO (finance guy), but not CEO.