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neom ◴[] No.41909872[source]
Some of that zooming in made me feel pretty damn uncomfortable. It really is f'ing massive out there huh. Makes me wonder what this is all about, I'm sure it's something, I wonder what. :)
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wayoverthecloud ◴[] No.41910437[source]
I think that too. That it's surely meant to be something. But sometimes I think what does "meaning" even mean? Does universe really have any "meaning", the term that humans invented and that even they are unsure of? Then, I think it's a big randomness, a random accident, a big joke, just happening with nothing to make sense of.
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feoren ◴[] No.41911668[source]
It's not a joke, because jokes have underlying meaning. It is somewhere between a "random accident" and the only way it could have possibly been given the constraints of fundamental physics. I suspect that everything that could possibly be, is, but it's random that you are you and I am me and we find ourselves here in this corner of this galaxy in this part of the universe which might itself be the inside of a giant black hole. But even if our universe is random, that doesn't mean there's nothing to make sense of. There's lots to make sense of.
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kortilla ◴[] No.41912264[source]
Jokes don’t always have meaning. “I want to play a joke on Bob” can very easily mean “I’m just going to torture Bob a bit for my amusement”. The joke will not have meaning to Bob.
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1. mmooss ◴[] No.41916613[source]
There is a lot of subtle meaning layered into that:

Cleverness: I'm funny and I'm confident enough in it to risk doing it publicly

Status: The statuses of you and Bob allow you to play a joke on them. Often such jokes are a public demonstration of status, like children do more explicitly and often unconsciously in the schoolyard.

Empathy: 'I say suffering is funny'; it asserts a willingness to violate a taboo, be unempathetic, and therefore potentially dangerous

Personal power: I'm powerful and independent enough to do something on a whim

etc.

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2. kortilla ◴[] No.41917856[source]
Yes, none of that meaning is apparent to Bob, which is my point.
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3. mmooss ◴[] No.41919856[source]
I think it is apparent to Bob and to everyone else, implicitly but unmistakeably; it's a message on many levels.
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4. kortilla ◴[] No.41921214{3}[source]
No, it is not apparent to Bob. Please stop willfully misinterpreting it.

It’s a whole class of shitty jokes where you mess with people under the entire purpose of doing it without them knowing. If Bob knows he’s being messed with, that’s something completely different.

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5. mmooss ◴[] No.41921659{4}[source]
You don't need to make up a state of mind for other people - the smart approach is to realize you have no idea what they are thinking - just politely say what you have to say. The second paragraph is fine.

I don't see where it's expressed above (?); no willfullness involved - I didn't even realize that you thought were having such a heated discussion. The other commenter also didn't pick up on it either.

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6. kortilla ◴[] No.41931901{5}[source]
It’s willful because you have ignore the very small and to the point comment I made about talking about jokes where the subject is unaware.

If I’m talking about a class of things explicitly defined by having attribute X and someone comes in and says “I don’t think that has attribute X”, that’s willfully if ignoring what is being discussed.

Also, don’t give a lecture about making up people’s state of mind and then pretend I think I’m having a heated discussion. It’s not heated, I’m just explaining in the simplest terms possible that there is a class of jokes where the subject does not know a joke is occurring. It just seems heated to you because you don’t like being told you’re missing the point.

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7. mmooss ◴[] No.41940459{6}[source]
You do keep talking about my state of mind, ironically in the first and last sentences of this comment. You have no idea, of course, what you're talking about, regarding me or anyone.