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Wired's Attack on Privacy

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115 points snvzz | 7 comments | 22 Oct 24 00:20 UTC | HN request time: 0.891s | source | bottom
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VariousPrograms ◴[22 Oct 24 01:52 UTC] No.41910406[source]▶
It's silly how privacy detractors try to associate so-and-so terrible group with any software that simply lets people talk without corporate or government surveillance, as if the concept of a private conversation is a strange and suspicious thing now.
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AlexandrB ◴[22 Oct 24 02:43 UTC] No.41910699[source]▶
To play devil's advocate: private face-to-face conversations do not allow for effective coordination of actions across large distances. There are plenty of good arguments for keeping the government out of everyone's private messages, but this kind of messaging and a conversation are not the same thing.
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1. big-green-man ◴[22 Oct 24 03:24 UTC] No.41910922[source]▶
Yes, they do, it just takes longer to enact what was coordinated.

There's no fundamental difference between a conversation in a meadow and one online.

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2. jgwil2 ◴[22 Oct 24 03:37 UTC] No.41910969[source]▶
Sometimes quantity has a quality all of its own. The difference is in the number of people who can be involved and the distances that can be conquered, but those differences completely change the possibilities of online speech.
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3. janderland ◴[22 Oct 24 05:17 UTC] No.41911404[source]▶
This is not true. We’ve all observed how differently people behave online. The anonymity aspect creates different social outcomes.

While there are arguments for preserving encryption, acting like online communication is the same as face to face is disingenuous.

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4. croes ◴[22 Oct 24 05:56 UTC] No.41911570[source]▶
Then where is the problem? Let‘s get rid of the online tools and go back to the meadows.
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5. big-green-man ◴[22 Oct 24 17:46 UTC] No.41916759[source]▶
But there's nothing fundamental about that distinction that warrants a separate set of societal rules. It's just scale: more people, farther distance, shorter time frames.
6. big-green-man ◴[22 Oct 24 17:47 UTC] No.41916768[source]▶
I never said there was a problem with anything.
7. big-green-man ◴[22 Oct 24 17:49 UTC] No.41916791[source]▶
We are talking specifically with regard to private communication between people, not speaker's corner online, that's a separate discussion, although I'd have similar views on that topic as well.

It's not the same. But it's not fundamentally different, it's just the technology makes it such that meeting up with someone to talk, no matter where they are, is trivial. It's like a pulley.