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    neom ◴[] No.41909872[source]
    Some of that zooming in made me feel pretty damn uncomfortable. It really is f'ing massive out there huh. Makes me wonder what this is all about, I'm sure it's something, I wonder what. :)
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    wayoverthecloud ◴[] No.41910437[source]
    I think that too. That it's surely meant to be something. But sometimes I think what does "meaning" even mean? Does universe really have any "meaning", the term that humans invented and that even they are unsure of? Then, I think it's a big randomness, a random accident, a big joke, just happening with nothing to make sense of.
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    1. imchillyb ◴[] No.41910601[source]
    So many rules, laws, and systems for all of this to be random. Seems a waste of good code if everything is random.

    Is an ecosystem random? What happens when one outside force is added to an ecosystem? There's plenty of examples around the globe of this.

    Life doesn't 'find a way' and balance. The ecosystem is damaged, and often times destroyed by adding a single non-native species. That doesn't seem random does it?

    Randomness should have error correction, as it's random. Doesn't seem to though.

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    2. frabjoused ◴[] No.41910671[source]
    My money is on it just being a playing field for the game of life. A damn good one at that.
    3. andsoitis ◴[] No.41910727[source]
    > Randomness should have error correction, as it's random.

    Randomness itself doesn't have error correction, but systems that generate or use randomness may have checks to ensure they function correctly. Error correction applies to data or signal integrity, which is a separate concept from pure randomness.

    4. felizuno ◴[] No.41911203[source]
    I've been convinced that random is so maximally inclusive that there is no error category. Obviously uniformity is an anti-random condition that would bait the label "error" but I think it's still perfectly random to flip a coin tails 2, 4, 6, 6k times consecutively and the uniformity is simply a shocking instance of random. To your point, I don't think random implies balance though I understand that statistically this is the expected outcome of large set randomness such as ...the universe... (OP)

    Many of my thoughts on randomness are seeded by David Deutsch's "Beginning of infinity" which is an interesting read FWTW

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    5. samus ◴[] No.41911218[source]
    Ecosystems eventually adapt to the newcomers. And it's not like the species already part of the ecosystem wouldn't ever evolve to something detrimental to the whole.
    6. semi-extrinsic ◴[] No.41911582[source]
    Randomness and probabilities can be incredibly hard to wrap our heads around.

    A deck only has 52 cards, but you shuffle it properly, it's essentially guaranteed that nobody in human history has ended up with the same order as you just did.

    7. phito ◴[] No.41911587[source]
    Ecosystems do adapt. They look broken to us because of our ridiculously small life span.

    That's why I dislike framing climate change actions as "saving the planet". The planet will be just fine. We won't.

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    8. caf ◴[] No.41911745[source]
    You could think of it in the sense of "saving money" - if you're a notorious spendthrift, the money hasn't actually disappeared, but it's of no use to you anymore.
    9. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.41911788[source]
    > Life doesn't 'find a way' and balance. The ecosystem is damaged, and often times destroyed by adding a single non-native species.

    Of course it does. "Ecosystem" and "species" and "native" are human terms referring to categories we invented to make sense of things. Life itself is one ongoing, unbroken, slow-burn chemical reaction at planetary scale. It's always in flux, it's always balanced in myriad ways on some timescales, unbalanced in others.

    Even without getting reductive to this degree, there's hardly a case an ecosystem was destroyed. Adding non-native species ends up rebalancing things, sometimes transforming them into something dissimilar to what came before - but it's not like life disappears. The ecosystem is there, just different. Though it sure sucks to be one of the life forms depending on the "status quo".

    > That doesn't seem random does it?

    Yes, it very much is random. If thermodynamics teaches us anything, it's that random looks quite organized if you zoom out enough and smooth over details.

    10. shiroiushi ◴[] No.41912024[source]
    "The planet" is really just a ball of mostly iron and silicates. Of course it'll be fine no matter what. What's important is what's on the surface, namely lifeforms and the biosphere. They're what make this orb so special. Climate change will harm humans, sure, but not just us: it'll harm many other species too, ones which can't adapt fast enough.
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    11. conductr ◴[] No.41912122{3}[source]
    It’s happened before, life will prevail and eventually thrive again in some other format. I think fully eradicating life from earth will be quite difficult even if we tried. Perhaps when we get swallowed by our sun or some similar event.
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    12. shiroiushi ◴[] No.41912145{4}[source]
    Climate change, even in the worst case, won't come remotely close to eradicating all life. It won't even eradicate humans (though it'll suck for people living on the coasts or in Florida). Even the very worst imaginable catastrophe wouldn't eliminate the various single-celled organisms and extremophiles.

    But there are a lot of larger species that are at risk. Maybe I'm just species-ist, but I'm more concerned about things like various bird or mammal species than I am some bacteria.