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akira2501 ◴[] No.41909656[source]
It's possible. It was designed to be. It was used because southern Blacks actually did have a lower literacy rate than Whites at the time and this was seen as the most expedient "filter" they could create.

The real racism was in all the ways to bypass the test. Grandfather clauses, land ownership clauses, "demonstrated understanding" options. Most White people challenged by the test wouldn't ever need to actually confront it.

These weren't the only requirements either. You had to be of "good character" and "understand the duties and obligations of citizenship under a republican form of government" and to be able to "read _and_ write."

Finally even if you were Black and managed all of this it wasn't at all a guarantee that your registration or vote would be accepted. Sometimes this understanding would be communicated in an act of violence.

The test is a tiny archival curiosity created by a much more overt system.

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tptacek ◴[] No.41909659[source]
It's not possible. Several of the questions have multiple valid answers. It's pretty obvious what the scheme is.
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1. roenxi ◴[] No.41909745[source]
Which question(s)? They all seem to have single answers to me.

That being said, I would expect to fail this test.

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2. tptacek ◴[] No.41910218[source]
"Paris in the spring" is the one I fixated on, but lots of other examples downthread.
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3. whaaaaat ◴[] No.41911164[source]
"Spell backwards, forwards"

Both "backwards" and "forwards" could be correctly interpreted as the adverb in this one. It could be asking you to "Spell the word backwards, in a forwards manner" or "Spell in a backwards manner, the word forwards".

It's ambiguous enough that someone grading the test who wanted the disqualify you could make the case you got it wrong, no matter if you wrote "backwards" or "sdrawrof".

4. hn_throwaway_99 ◴[] No.41911195[source]
The first question I see is:

1. Draw a line around the number or letter of this sentence.

I have no idea what "the number of this sentence" or "the letter of this sentence" even means.

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5. alexey-salmin ◴[] No.41911284[source]
You need to draw a line around the "1." part
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6. x86_64Ubuntu ◴[] No.41911366{3}[source]
Number OR Letter, and it never specifies which one. It doesn't say first or last, or anything.
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7. KingMob ◴[] No.41911467{3}[source]
It's debatable whether "1." is part of the sentence (and thus should be left alone). We wouldn't consider a non-alphanumeric bullet point to be part of a sentence.

Regardless of which you chose, if the examiner wished to disqualify you, they could simply say it's the opposite.

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8. KingMob ◴[] No.41911475[source]
Heheh, no voting for you!

It's "Paris in the the spring", with two the's!

9. alexey-salmin ◴[] No.41911679{4}[source]
No one says it's a part of the sentence. It's a number of the sentence, as in "this is the sentence number one".
10. alexey-salmin ◴[] No.41911714{4}[source]
"1" is the number of the sentence, not a number in the sentence. As in "this is the sentence number one".

I don't claim this test is useful, but as a matter of fact the first question is not hard.

11. Phlebsy ◴[] No.41911728[source]
Meanwhile I'm wondering what 'draw a line around' something means, when they use circle in other parts. If they meant circle, they'd have said circle, no?
12. cryptoz ◴[] No.41911860{3}[source]
That is wrong and you have failed the test. If you include the . you have clearly misunderstood the question. It did not indicate to draw a line around the number or letter and dot. Since you included the dot we will fail you. We are aware the question did not indicate the dot or not and it doesn’t matter. You failed, bye!
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13. alexey-salmin ◴[] No.41912026{4}[source]
I don't argue that it's impossible for the examiner to screw you on the commas — that's always a possibility with an open-ended question. And yet this doesn't make all open-ended questions bad, it just makes then inappropriate for a situation with an adversarial interviewer (which I do agree include the voting process).

However I argue that the question by itself is fine: it is well defined and has only one reasonable answer. No one presented any other sensible answer so far.

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14. computerfriend ◴[] No.41912031[source]
Good luck drawing a line around anything except a point at infinity.
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15. ggambetta ◴[] No.41912267[source]
I thought the "number or letter" in that sentence is the "a" in "Draw a line".
16. didgeoridoo ◴[] No.41913331{3}[source]
It isn’t a literacy test, it’s a non-Euclidean geometry test!
17. w0de0 ◴[] No.41913423[source]
“Spell backwards, forwards.”
18. mannykannot ◴[] No.41913496{5}[source]
Here we have a subjective determination of objectivity.