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1. saagarjha ◴[] No.41909496[source]
I’m curious if anyone has the solutions to these.
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2. jakelazaroff ◴[] No.41909525[source]
The point is that the questions are phrased ambiguously such that a reviewer can credibly claim that a "correct" solution is wrong.

Take question 20:

> Spell backwards, forwards

Is "backwards" the object, with "forwards" describing how to spell it — as in, "Spell the word 'backwards', forwards"?

Or is it being used as an adverb, telling you how to spell the word "forwards" — as in, "Spell backwards the word 'forwards'"?

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3. phildenhoff ◴[] No.41909528[source]
A solution is available here: https://mrsjcoonan.weebly.com/uploads/2/3/6/2/23625108/liter...

But, my understanding is that the test is purposefully opaque, so that any answer can be considered “wrong”, at the discretion of whoever’s running the test.

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4. csallen ◴[] No.41909537[source]
Their answer to #14 is wrong. They crossed out "m" and should've crossed out "l".
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6. kelnos ◴[] No.41909554[source]
Their answer to #14 is wrong. The first part ("draw a line under the first letter after 'h'") is done correctly, with a line under "i", but the second part ("draw a line through the second letter after "j") is wrong. They should have drawn the line through "l", but they drew it through "m".

At first I thought "oh, they're just using a slightly different, but perhaps reasonable, meaning of "second letter after". But if that's the case, then they used a different meaning of "first letter after" for the first part.

#16 is also wrong: it calls for a black circle overlapping the left corner of a triangle, but they drew it overlapping the right corner.

And for #25, they wrote it out, but all of it did not fit on the line, and did not write the terminating ":" in the text, so that's technically incorrect too. (And it's debatable whether or not they were supposed to write out the text that's inside the triangle, or the "gotcha" of writing out the text in the question.)

I love that they gave up for the last two questions. I imagine most people who were forced to take that test did so too, assuming they even made it that far in the allotted time.

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7. tptacek ◴[] No.41909559[source]
What's the right answer to "Write down on the line provided, what you read in the triangle below"? The triangle contains "Paris in the spring".
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8. tilt_error ◴[] No.41909576[source]
Actually: Paris in the the spring

'the' comes twice

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9. jampekka ◴[] No.41909583[source]
It doesn't have answers for the last two and I think the number 16 is wrong (the circle is encircling the right corner). Also 25 doesn't fit on the line.

Would be interested to see what share of population would get all of those correct (if it's even possible). I for one wouldn't.

Sadistic stuff.

10. mrbuttons454 ◴[] No.41909602{3}[source]
On 15, shouldn't the dot be above the O?
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11. jampekka ◴[] No.41909603{3}[source]
That's diabolical. But it's not certain if even that's correct. Depends on how the comma should be interpreted.
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12. kelnos ◴[] No.41909607[source]
Wow, I hadn't even thought of that for that question. Disgustingly genius. The person administering the test can simply tell the person who took the test the opposite interpretation of however they answered, and that's it for their ability to vote.
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13. kelnos ◴[] No.41909610{4}[source]
Also true!
14. kelnos ◴[] No.41909624{4}[source]
And the person who answered wrote the last two words such that they're not "on the line provided", so regardless of which phrase they're supposed to write, they got the question wrong.

Assuming they did write the correct thing, and assuming the test administrator would be unusually generous about the placement of the words, they still got it wrong: they left off the colon at the end.

15. kyleee ◴[] No.41909630[source]
Kind of like modern App Store review. Google must have employed some history majors
16. malfist ◴[] No.41909641{3}[source]
What's even worse about this is this test wasn't given to everyone who wanted to vote, only those who gained their right to vote after the civil war.

White people were "grandfathered" in, literally.

17. jakelazaroff ◴[] No.41909648{3}[source]
It reminds me of the Simpsons episode with the spelling bee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sn5wyBDxn4

> "Your word is 'weather'."

> "Which one? Can you use it in a sentence?"

> "Certainly! 'I don't know whether the weather will improve.'"

(obviously the joke doesn't work as well written out)

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18. danparsonson ◴[] No.41909649{3}[source]
Question 29 is particularly cruel - even if someone somehow managed to provide "good" answers for the preceding 28 questions within ten minutes, then they were surely almost out of time, and just parsing that sentence took me about four readings.
19. ryan-c ◴[] No.41909674[source]
#8 is wrong, T should be crossed out because it's the first letter of "the alphabet".

#18 is wrong, after the 15 comes 18, so 18 should be written in the blank space.

Bastards.

20. tharkun__ ◴[] No.41909682{3}[source]
A prime example of why "unionization" is good: You only need two people to do this differently and be told the opposite by the administrator (preferably the same one but not necessarily) and you've proved that it's BS.

That's all theory of course and in practice I bet people did talk about this afterwards and figured out it's BS and it didn't help either way. But it's easy to "find out" (and then try to do something about it) if you stick together. But if nobody sticks together on it and tries to do better for themselves by themselves, everyone does worse for themselves in the end.

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21. jeffbee ◴[] No.41909850{3}[source]
Great, and now that you realize this you also realize why all these other right-wing schemes to suppress the vote are also unconstitutional. If you put some random jerk in a position to deny someone the right to vote based on ID card or signature rules, you have created a system for discriminatory disenfranchisement.
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22. kelnos ◴[] No.41909945{4}[source]
I think I've already got a pretty good handle on the modern-day disenfranchisement techniques, thank you.
23. lostmsu ◴[] No.41910065[source]
With the comma the second interpretation seems inapplicable to me.
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24. jakelazaroff ◴[] No.41910393{3}[source]
It’s awkward, sure, but other questions use commas in that way. Question 19, immediately prior:

> Draw in the space below, a square with a triangle in it, and within that same triangle draw a circle with a black dot in it.

In that case, “a square with a triangle in it” is fairly unambiguously the object, which would make the sentence construction “[verb] [adverb], [object]” — exactly the same as the second interpretation of “Spell backwards, forwards”.

25. onionisafruit ◴[] No.41911478{3}[source]
It seems inapplicable to you, but it will probably seem very applicable to the test administrator who doesn’t want people like you voting.
26. KingMob ◴[] No.41911486{4}[source]
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
27. KingMob ◴[] No.41911493{4}[source]
> But it's easy to "find out" (and then try to do something about it) if you stick together.

You're kind of describing the civil rights movement.

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28. usea ◴[] No.41911648{4}[source]
Also the Simpsons scene with the Smokey Bear statue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-q-3fPYw_Y

> "Only who can prevent forest fires?" [You] [Me]

> Bart selects "You".

> "You pressed 'You', referring to me. That is incorrect. The correct answer is 'You'!"

29. BartjeD ◴[] No.41911661{5}[source]
And forgetting the KKK
30. valval ◴[] No.41911949[source]
It’s not a real test.
31. starspangled ◴[] No.41912448[source]
There are many ambiguous ones, but several here that are unambiguously wrong.

14, 15, 16 that others pointed out.

24. They printed 3 words when a single word was called for. The test is very clear about following the direction exactly, no more and no less. Also "mom" might be wrong, "wow" should be safe.

28. The vertical line is bisected in clearly unequal parts.

32. stared ◴[] No.41912872[source]
Another possible solution is "backwards, forwards".

Without quotation marks, this task is inherently ambiguous.

33. nomilk ◴[] No.41914087[source]
Reminds of the Spelling Bee scene in the Simpsons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWyYTJKOtDU

34. empath75 ◴[] No.41914511[source]
Developers are so used to going through leetcode nonsense to get jobs that they're assuming that this is some kind of genuine but poorly written test to test literacy.

The way something like this was administered, was that tests returned by white people were given a cursory glance and accepted, and tests returned by black people were just rejected and given some random explanation as to why they were wrong, and then the test was chucked in the garbage. Nobody cared what the right answer was, all that mattered was there was some fig leaf explanation for why black voters couldn't vote. Mostly black voters stopped bothering to try after a couple of go arounds here -- not to mention the physical intimidation that went along with it. The point was to inculcate learned helplessness.

This wasn't the SAT, y'all.

35. Cthulhu_ ◴[] No.41914860[source]
And by "spell", do they mean just rewrite the word(s), write the word(s) with a s p a c e between each letter, or go to the examiner and spell it verbally?
36. Cthulhu_ ◴[] No.41914867{3}[source]
That's one trick part of the the question (a common trick, a lot of people don't read two "the"s in a row), but the other answer could be "what you read in the triangle below" as that's what the question states.

The other trick is that the line could be too short depending on your handwriting, in theory disqualifying the tested person regardless of what they write down.

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