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idle_zealot ◴[] No.41908752[source]
Locking phones is not at all a requirement for carriers to offer subsidized deals. They could offer phones on installment plans conditional on an N-month contract. The buyer could switch carriers and keep the phone, but be on the hook to pay off the rest of the contract term. The only reason to use technological locks is to further trap a customer into a carrier relationship beyond the legal terms of their contract. It's yet another example of companies violating long-standing rights and norms and getting away with it because there's a computer involved.
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jjmarr ◴[] No.41908878[source]
What happens when the buyer says "no, I'm not paying" and sells the phone?

Instant money. Meanwhile the telecom company has to sell the debt at a massive discount to a collections agency or spend a ton of money collecting on it. That's assuming it can be collected on at all from someone that might just be running a scam.

With a locked phone, the phone just stops working and loses most of its value.

A rule forcing carriers to unlock phones after the term is up is fine. Forcing them to do it before is illogical. How many people are going to pay for two plans on one phone because they didn't like the first plan? I doubt it's more than those who will immediately abuse this rule and stop paying for the phone. I don't see the benefit to society here.

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1. FireBeyond ◴[] No.41909115[source]
Simple. Since the major carriers these days offer "interest free installments" on phones, with subsidies or billing credits to make the TCO cheaper... then when this happens, the carrier: 1) loses no interest payments, 2) may lose installment payments, but this is a credit risk anyway - onus is on them to assess risk to a point of acceptability to them, and 3) get to not pay out the subsidies or billing credit.

All this amounts to is an additional layer of securing a loan. And pre-emptively so. "You cannot unlock this device because others may abuse this."

Assess identity and credit risk better.

I have little sympathy for the carriers, after having to fight Verizon over the claim that I, living in Seattle, and being an AT&T customer for a decade with 4-6 lines and devices, somehow decided to go to El Paso and buy a phone at a Walmart on Verizon, run it up making international calls and let it go to collections.

After supplying their (onerous, tbh) info around identity, police report, current utility billing and such, VZW said "We are still satisfied that the debt is valid and belongs to you, after reviewing your documentation with documentation that was supplied when the account was opened". When I said "well, given that you have verified my identity, and given that you state that the documentation you have from the account says that it was I who opened the account, I'd like to see that documentation". Verizon: "We cannot provide that data to you as it may violate customer privacy". Schrodingers account holder. It's me when they want to collect money, it's not me when they're concerned about sharing "someone's" info or billing records...