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myself248 ◴[] No.41896048[source]
I'd like to imagine a world where every lawyer, when their case is helped by a Wayback Machine snapshot of something, flips a few bucks to IA. They could afford a world-class admin team in no time flat.
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thaumasiotes ◴[] No.41896197[source]
That's a terrible solution. The Wayback Machine takes down their snapshots at the request of whoever controls the domain. That's not archival.

If the state of a webpage in the past matters to you, you need a record that won't cease to exist when your opposition asks it to. This is the concept behind perma.cc.

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myself248 ◴[] No.41896261[source]
Ooo, excellent. Yes, hiding items is imperfect, but I understood that it was legally required or something. (IANAL and IDFK, TBH) I wonder how perma.cc gets around that.
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berdario ◴[] No.41896764[source]
I'm afraid that it just hasn't been tested in court yet.

I haven't read this paper yet, but...

https://www.tesble.com/10.1080/0270319x.2021.1886785

from the abstract:

> The article concludes that Perma.cc's archival use is neither firmly grounded in existing fair use nor library exemptions; that Perma.cc, its "registrar" library, institutional affiliates, and its contributors have some (at least theoretical) exposure to risk

It seems that the article is about copyright, but of course there are several other reasons that might justify takedown of content stored on perma.cc:

- Right to be forgotten... perma.cc might be able to ignore it, but could this lead to perma.cc being blocked by european ISPs

- ITAR stuff

- content published by entities recognized by $GOVERNMENT as terrorist organizations

- revenge porn

- CSAM

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1. myself248 ◴[] No.41907558[source]
So, precisely the same constraints that IA operates under, just perma.cc isn't big enough yet to have been forced to comply with them?

I'll hold my breath.