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skhunted ◴[] No.41904004[source]
I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating.

The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. But any teacher doing this will end up with no students signing up for their class. The only solution I see is the Higher Learning Commission mandating this for all classes.

But even requiring in person proctored exams is not the full solution. Students are not used to doing the necessary work to learn. They are used to doing the necessary work to pass. And that work is increasingly cheating. It’s a clusterfuck. I have calculus students who don’t know how to work with fractions. If we did truly devise a system that prevents cheating we’ll see that a very high percentage of current college students are not ready to be truly college educated.

K-12 needs to be changed as well.

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1. jessekv ◴[] No.41906523[source]
> Students are not used to doing the necessary work to learn. They are used to doing the necessary work to pass.

I'd like to point out this has nothing to do with cheating. Cheating happens at all levels of academic performance.

I have not been in university for a while, but I do remember that it was rare that I did my best work for any individual class.

For me it was more of a "satisficing" challenge, and I had to make hard choices about which classes I would not get A's in.

I'm sure some professors might have interpreted my performance in their class as indicative of my overall abilities. I'm fine with that. I learned as much as I could, I maxed out my course load, and I don't regret it at all.