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sirolimus ◴[] No.41896949[source]
It’s incredibly sad to see threat actors attack something as altruistic as an internet library. Truly demoralizing to see such degeneracy.
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A4ET8a8uTh0 ◴[] No.41898305[source]
Not defending attacker, because I see IA as common good. That said one of the messages from this particular instance reads almost as if they were trying to help by pointing out issues that IA clearly missed:

"Whether you were trying to ask a general question, or requesting the removal of your site from the Wayback Machine your data is now in the hands of some random guy. If not me, it'd be someone else."

I am starting to wonder if the chorus of 'maybe one org should not be responsible for all this; it is genuinely too important' has a point.

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1. jeffwask ◴[] No.41905246[source]
> I am starting to wonder if the chorus of 'maybe one org should not be responsible for all this; it is genuinely too important' has a point.

I agree this probably needs to be run more professionally but I think the "chorus" is missing the key fact that no one has stepped up to pay for or build an alternate and driving this one to insolvency just leaves us poorer.

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2. A4ET8a8uTh0 ◴[] No.41905678[source]
I think this is why I am kinda debating what personally I can do about it ( in a reasonably efficient way ). And I admit I am on the fence. I try to donate funds to some worthy causes ( like EFF ) every so often and IA might be getting some offers of help now that is in the spotlight ( and can I reasonably compare to someone steeped in the subject? likely no ).

I do advocate for some variant of digital prepping in my social circle, but the response has been similar to my talk about privacy. The ones that do care, have already taken steps or are in the process of some sort of solution for their use-case. Those people do not need convincing or even much help.. they mostly simply know what they want and/or need.

As for a more systemic solution.. I honestly don't know. HN itself seems pretty divided and I can absolutely understand why.

All that said, I think I agree with you. There is no real alternative now so IA needs our support at the very least until we can figure out how to preserve what was already gathered. I said the following on this forum before. Wikipedia is not hurting for money, but IA, being in legal crosshairs and whatnot, likely will.