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skhunted ◴[] No.41904004[source]
I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating.

The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. But any teacher doing this will end up with no students signing up for their class. The only solution I see is the Higher Learning Commission mandating this for all classes.

But even requiring in person proctored exams is not the full solution. Students are not used to doing the necessary work to learn. They are used to doing the necessary work to pass. And that work is increasingly cheating. It’s a clusterfuck. I have calculus students who don’t know how to work with fractions. If we did truly devise a system that prevents cheating we’ll see that a very high percentage of current college students are not ready to be truly college educated.

K-12 needs to be changed as well.

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1. simsla ◴[] No.41904722[source]
As a student of the previous generation, I much preferred exams with an oral defence component. Gave an opportunity to clear up any miscommunications, and I always walked away with a much better estimate for how well I did.
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2. slt2021 ◴[] No.41905782[source]
this was Soviet system as well, where student draw a random card with 3 exam questions (out of all curriculum) and had to prepare and answer question in person verbally in from of a panel of professors.

This system truly forced students to grind the hell out of science

3. jimhefferon ◴[] No.41909760[source]
Hard to see, though, how to do that with hundreds of students in a room, and be reasonably uniform and fair about it.

An argument perhaps that there should not be hundreds in a room.