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Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations

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427 points JumpCrisscross | 1 comments | 20 Oct 24 17:26 UTC | HN request time: 0.226s | source
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lwhi ◴[21 Oct 24 08:16 UTC] No.41901852[source]▶
It is no longer effective to solely use a written essay to measure how deeply a student comprehends a subject.

AI is here to stay; new methods should be used to assess student performance.

I remember being told at school, that we weren't allowed to use calculators in exams. The line provided by teachers was that we could never rely on having a calculator when we need it most—obviously there's irony associated with having 'calculators' in our pockets 24/7 now.

We need to accept that the world has changed; I only hope that we get to decide how society responds to that change together .. rather than have it forced upon us.

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dambi0 ◴[21 Oct 24 09:05 UTC] No.41902094[source]▶
An essay written under examination conditions is fine. We don’t need new assessment techniques. We have known how to asses that a student and that student alone for centuries.
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jenscow ◴[21 Oct 24 09:35 UTC] No.41902282[source]▶
In most cases that only tests a students memory and handwriting ability, while under pressure in a limited time.

Can't perform any research, compare conflicting sources, or self-reflection.

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dambi0 ◴[21 Oct 24 09:38 UTC] No.41902303[source]▶
That depends on the questions. There are also open book exams. A viva is a type of exam so I don’t see they are incompatible with assessing research
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lupire ◴[21 Oct 24 13:02 UTC] No.41903716[source]▶
Not every class is STEM. Are you writing a 4000 word research paper sitting in class?
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1. lizknope ◴[21 Oct 24 14:42 UTC] No.41904702[source]▶
A few of my high school teachers in the early 1990's made our final paper into a big project.

It was not just "turn in the paper at the end" but turn in your topic with a paragraph describing it. Then make an outline, then bibliography of the sources we were using. During the process we had to use 3x5 index cards with various points, arguments, facts, and the specific pages in the books listed in our bibliography. We did this because this was later used to make footnotes in our paper.

By structuring the project this way and having each milestone count as 5-10% of the overall grade it made it much harder to cheat and also taught us how to organize a research paper.

I suppose you could ask ChatGPT to do the entire paper and then work backwards picking out facts and making the outline etc.