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lwhi ◴[21 Oct 24 08:16 UTC] No.41901852[source]▶
It is no longer effective to solely use a written essay to measure how deeply a student comprehends a subject.

AI is here to stay; new methods should be used to assess student performance.

I remember being told at school, that we weren't allowed to use calculators in exams. The line provided by teachers was that we could never rely on having a calculator when we need it most—obviously there's irony associated with having 'calculators' in our pockets 24/7 now.

We need to accept that the world has changed; I only hope that we get to decide how society responds to that change together .. rather than have it forced upon us.

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elric ◴[21 Oct 24 09:35 UTC] No.41902281[source]▶
Was this ever effective? There was a lot of essay copy/pasting when I was in school, and this was when essays had to be hand written (in cursive, of course, using a fountain pen!).

Same with homework. If everyone has to solve the same 10 problems, divide and conquer saves everyone a lot of time.

Of course, you're only screwing yourself because you'll negatively impact your learning, but that's not something you can easily convince kids of.

In person oral exams (once you get over the fear factor) work best, with or without (proctored!) prep time.

Maybe it doesn't scale as well, but education is important enough not to always require maximal efficiency.

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everdrive ◴[21 Oct 24 10:25 UTC] No.41902607[source]▶
>Of course, you're only screwing yourself because you'll negatively impact your learning, but that's not something you can easily convince kids of.

This assumes that homework helps kids learn, or that the knowledge required to succeed in school will help kids once they graduate.

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1. elric ◴[21 Oct 24 14:01 UTC] No.41904266[source]▶
Depends on the homework, of course. In my head I guess I was talking about maths problems. Maths understanding, in my experience, greatly benefits from practice, and homework exercises might be useful there. Memorising the names of rivers ... maybe not so much.