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BubbleRings ◴[] No.41903891[source]
Let's talk about the actual one page extract of her essay, which can be seen in the article, it is the second image.

My take is, if she used AI to generate that, she didn't use a very good one. I don't think ChatGPT would make the grammar and clarity mistakes that you see in the image text.

I see this:

"should be exposed to many of these forms and models to strengthen understanding" - much better as "should be exposed to as many of these forms and models as possible to strengthen their understanding"

"it is mentioned that students should have experiencing understanding the..." - plainly wrong, better would be "it is mentioned that students should have experience understanding the..."

"time with initial gird models" -> "time with initial grid models"

And there are other lines that could be improved.

My opinion is, the only solution to this problem is to allow AI detectors to flag work, but that when a work is flagged, that flagging just triggers a face to face meeting between the student and the professor, where the student is required to show through discussion of the work that they understand it well enough to have written it.

However! Often the professor is too busy, or isn't smart enough to review the writing of the student carefully enough to determine whether the student really wrote it. What to do? Why of course: invent AI systems that are really good at interviewing students well enough to tell if they really wrote a piece of work. Yeah you laugh but it will happen some day soon enough.

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ToucanLoucan ◴[] No.41903974[source]
Honestly I think you could set AI entirely to the side here, it seems increasingly a cultural meme (and an unfortunately accurate one) that kids can't read or write. And not just on social media either, I've seen this crop up in official training and my professional experience matches it too. The vast majority of people in the United States just write really, really poorly, and the average reading level sits at an utterly pathetic sixth grade.

I don't wanna trot out "think of the children" bullshit here but it's hard for me to not notice that this trend has been happening since smartphones became normal and schools have increasingly become utterly toothless with regard to enforcing standards in education, i.e. "you need to know this shit in order to move to the next grade up." Nobody does that anymore. Just fudge the scores with extra credit or make-up assignments and send them up the chain to be a different teacher's problem next year.

> My opinion is, the only solution to this problem is to allow AI detectors to flag work, but that when a work is flagged, that flagging just triggers a face to face meeting between the student and the professor, where the student is required to show through discussion of the work that they understand it well enough to have written it.

You said it yourself in the subsequent paragraph, but if professors had this much time and energy to teach, their kids wouldn't be writing like deprecated GPT instances in the first place. We need to empower teachers and schools to fail children so they can be taught and experience consequences for lack of performance, and learn to do better. They have no reason to try because no one will hold them accountable, personally or systemically. We just let them fail and keep failing until they turn into failures of adults living in their parents basements playing Elden Ring all day and getting mad at each other over trivial bullshit on social media.

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1. BubbleRings ◴[] No.41904167[source]
Agree with you fully. If I was a teacher, I think I'd be constantly in trouble for failing students.

I work in a field where I _think_ that clarity of communication is critically important. But then I see people that can't read or write worth a damn getting promotions and the like, and I think, maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon.

To others (not you ToucanLoucan): If you are reading this and you are wondering how you can become the person who doesn't send the email that is taken to mean "turn the server off now" when what you meant to say was "turn the server on now", all you really need to learn is to fully proof read your messages before you click send, in my opinion. And to write as much as you can. Everything else will take care of itself; you will naturally get better and better at it.