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lwhi ◴[] No.41901852[source]
It is no longer effective to solely use a written essay to measure how deeply a student comprehends a subject.

AI is here to stay; new methods should be used to assess student performance.

I remember being told at school, that we weren't allowed to use calculators in exams. The line provided by teachers was that we could never rely on having a calculator when we need it most—obviously there's irony associated with having 'calculators' in our pockets 24/7 now.

We need to accept that the world has changed; I only hope that we get to decide how society responds to that change together .. rather than have it forced upon us.

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lm28469 ◴[] No.41902892[source]
In France my essays were written in class, no phones, no book, just your brain, a sheet a paper and a pen. That's still 100% doable today
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junaru ◴[] No.41902992[source]
It even came with handwriting built in as authentication mechanism! AI detectors hate this secret!

On a more serious note - US removed cursive from their curriculum almost two decades ago - something i cant wrap my head around as cursive is something the rest of the world(?) uses starting in middle school and onwards through the whole adult life.

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1. kibwen ◴[] No.41903884[source]
I don't know what the rest of the world calls "cursive", but here in the US the cursive we get taught is strictly inferior: slower to write, less compact on the page, and harder to read (while also being strictly uglier than true calligraphy). It's a script designed for allowing you to avoid lifting a quill from the page and thereby avoiding ink blots; it's entirely obsolete.
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2. lolinder ◴[] No.41904073[source]
This is a bit of an exaggeration.

I learned cursive, then reverted to print, but when I entered a phase of my life where I needed to write several pages a day I quickly went back to (a custom variant of) cursive because it was faster to write in a legible way than print.

When I rush print it quickly becomes illegible. When I rush my cursive it doesn't look quite as nice as it does when I'm writing steadily, but I can still read what I wrote ten years later.

From what I can tell it works because cursive letters are defined in a shape that lends itself to a quick moving pen. Once you learn that shape (both to write and read), you can quickly get words down on a page and then understand them later. If you just try to slur your print in an unprincipled way your letters distort in ways that make them harder to tell apart.

Now, I imagine someone could develop a slurred print that doesn't have connections between letters, but I'd probably call that a cursive anyway.

3. lm28469 ◴[] No.41904576[source]
Write in cursive or in print, or even cut letter from a newspaper if you want. If you do it in a classroom in front of a teacher cheating is dramatically reduced
4. vundercind ◴[] No.41905947[source]
Yeah, the hand they taught us (in the early '90s) was some common one that I gather most places have taught in the US for decades. It never made any sense to me. Ugly, hard to read, and not even notably faster to write, even if you got good at it.

Later I found out it was developed for use with a fountain pen, designed with the idea that a correctly-faced nib would make some strokes bolder and others very faint, and to keep the nib always moving in a kind of flow to avoid spots, and to make it natural to keep the nib faced the correct way(s), plus with even more attention to avoiding raising the pen than most cursives, for similar reasons of avoiding spotting. That made all the downsides make sense—it's far less ugly and easier to read when written with a fountain pen, and may well be faster than many other similarly-clean methods of writing with one.

Why the hell we were still learning that hand decades into the dominance of the ballpoint, remains a question.