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lwhi ◴[] No.41901852[source]
It is no longer effective to solely use a written essay to measure how deeply a student comprehends a subject.

AI is here to stay; new methods should be used to assess student performance.

I remember being told at school, that we weren't allowed to use calculators in exams. The line provided by teachers was that we could never rely on having a calculator when we need it most—obviously there's irony associated with having 'calculators' in our pockets 24/7 now.

We need to accept that the world has changed; I only hope that we get to decide how society responds to that change together .. rather than have it forced upon us.

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pjc50 ◴[] No.41902041[source]
> I only hope that we get to decide how society responds to that change together .. rather than have it forced upon us.

That basically never happens and the outcome is the result of some sort of struggle. Usually just a peaceful one in the courts and legislatures and markets, but a struggle nonetheless.

> new methods should be used to assess student performance.

Such as? We need an answer now because students are being assessed now.

Return to the old "viva voce" exam? Still used for PhDs. But that doesn't scale at all. Perhaps we're going to have to accept that and aggressively ration higher education by the limited amount of time available for human-to-human evaluations.

Personally I think all this is unpredictable and destabilizing. If the AI advocates are right, which I don't think they are, they're going to eradicate most of the white collar jobs and academic specialties for which those people are being trained and evaluated.

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lwhi ◴[] No.41902324[source]
> Personally I think all this is unpredictable and destabilizing.

I completely agree, but then again it seems to me that society also functions according to many norms that were established due to historical context; and could / should be challenged and replaced.

Our education system was based on needs of the industrial revolution. Ditto, the structure of our working week.

My bet: We will see our working / waking lives shift before our eyes, in a manner that's comparable to watching an avalanche in the far distance. And (similarly to the avalanche metaphor) we'll likely have little ability to effect any change.

Fundamental questions like 'why do we work', 'what do we need' and 'what do we want' will be necessarily brought to the fore.

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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.41902520[source]
>Fundamental questions like 'why do we work', 'what do we need' and 'what do we want' will be necessarily brought to the fore.

All the low paid, physically laborious work is not affected by AI, so there will be plenty of work, especially with aging populations around the world.

The question is will it be worth doing (can the recipients of the work pay enough) without being able to provide the dream of being able to obtain a desk job for one’s self or their children.

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1. johnisgood ◴[] No.41902768[source]
Physically laborious work is an increasing problem as you age though.
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2. _heimdall ◴[] No.41903061[source]
Historically that's more a question about community. Its a very recent phenomenon to have cultures where parents and grandparents are expected to take care of themselves or live in a home/facility.
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4. johnisgood ◴[] No.41903129[source]
Living in an elderly home may be impossible, too[1], meaning at best you can stay at the hospital until you die (which doctors are eager to achieve), at least in Hungary.

There is a sad, depressing world out there. One of my parents work at an elderly home, and the shit that happens there is just wild. Zero responsibility and accountability. Deliberate killing of people out of pure inconvenience, etc.

I am in favor of a "social support network".

[1] Requires money, e.g. pension, which is increasingly less, and they keep increasing the age.

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5. _heimdall ◴[] No.41903421{3}[source]
Oh yes, I've heard my fair share of horror stories from elderly homes. I would like to say I'm glad they exist for those who have no other option, but even in the most expensive places I've personally seen its just no way to live in my opinion.