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    Internet Archive breached again through stolen access tokens

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    492 points vladyslavfox | 13 comments | 20 Oct 24 15:00 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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    trompetenaccoun ◴[20 Oct 24 15:33 UTC] No.41895988[source]▶
    We need archives built on decentralized storage. Don't get me wrong, I really like and support the work Internet Archive is doing, but preserving history is too important to entrust it solely to singular entities, which means singular points of failure.
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    jdiff ◴[20 Oct 24 16:19 UTC] No.41896411[source]▶
    This seems to get brought at least once in the comments for every one of these articles that pops up.

    The IA has tried distributing their stores, but nowhere near enough people actually put their storage where their mouths are.

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    1. jonny_eh ◴[21 Oct 24 05:35 UTC] No.41900958[source]▶
    Nearly every entry in the library has a torrent file (which is a distributed storage system), but with the index pages down, they're not accessible.
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    2. HappMacDonald ◴[21 Oct 24 06:11 UTC] No.41901134[source]▶
    They're not using DHT?
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    3. highwaylights ◴[21 Oct 24 09:04 UTC] No.41902088[source]▶
    You're correct, but even then you've still the problem of storage - the torrents are only useful (and there's a lot of them) if a sustainable number of seeds remain available.
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    4. jdiff ◴[21 Oct 24 09:53 UTC] No.41902418[source]▶
    They're not talking about peer discovery, they're talking about .torrent file discovery.
    5. johnisgood ◴[21 Oct 24 10:37 UTC] No.41902677[source]▶
    If we want it to be distributed across laymen, we need something easier than opening torrent files (or inputting magnet URI) over a thousand times. Perhaps https://github.com/ipfs/in-web-browsers?
    6. bastawhiz ◴[21 Oct 24 11:52 UTC] No.41903136[source]▶
    I can hardly find a healthy torrent for an obscure feature film that I care about. How am I supposed to find a healthy torrent for a random web page from the aughts?
    7. sumtechguy ◴[21 Oct 24 12:08 UTC] No.41903263[source]▶
    The problem with their torrents is they are usually broken. Lots of complaints on them being broken. But no one fixing it.
    8. Wheatman ◴[21 Oct 24 12:33 UTC] No.41903470[source]▶
    How abiut torrenting a collection of websites in one collection?

    You can distribute less popular websites with more used ones to avoid losing it? And Torrents are good with transfering large files in my experience.

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    9. giancarlostoro ◴[21 Oct 24 13:21 UTC] No.41903897[source]▶
    Maybe there needs to be a torrentable offline-first HTML file (only goes online to tell you if there's a new torrent whatsoever with more files), that lets you look through for more torrents (Magnet links are really tiny).

    I miss when TPB used to have a CSV of all their magnet links, their new UI is trash. I can't even find anything like the old days, pretty much TPB is a dying old relic.

    10. baby_souffle ◴[21 Oct 24 14:06 UTC] No.41904313{3}[source]▶
    > You can distribute less popular websites with more used ones to avoid losing it?

    So long as this distributed protocol has the concept of individual files, there _will_ be clients out there that allow the user to select `popular-site.archive.tar.gz` and not `less-popular.tar.gz` for download.

    And what one person doesn't download... they can't seed back. Distributed stuff is really good for low cost, high scale distribution of in-demand content. It's _terrible_ for long term reliability/availability, though.

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    11. armada651 ◴[21 Oct 24 14:35 UTC] No.41904619{4}[source]▶
    That is fundamentally the problem, no one wants to donate storage to host stuff they're not interested in.
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    12. Capricorn2481 ◴[21 Oct 24 16:13 UTC] No.41905654[source]▶
    It's not abnormal for their torrents to be missing most of their direct downloads on the same page
    13. mrguyorama ◴[21 Oct 24 18:06 UTC] No.41906702{5}[source]▶
    More concretely, nobody wants to donate anything. They just want it to exist. Charity has never been a functional solution to normal coordination problems. We have centuries of evidence of this.