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The IPv6 Transition

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hairyplanter ◴[] No.41893537[source]
I have fully implemented IPv6 in my home network.

I have even implemented an IPv6-Only network. It fully works, including accessing IPv4 only websites like github.com via DNS64 and NAT64 at my router.

The only practically useful thing about my IPv6 enabled network is that I can run globally routable services on my lan, without NAT port mapping. Of course, only if the client is also IPv6.

Other than this one use case, IPv6 does nothing for me.

It doesn't work from most hotels, nor from my work lan, nor many other places because most "managed" networks are IPv4 only. It works better at Cafes because they are "unmanaged" and IPv6 is enabled by the most common ISPs, like ATT and Comcast and their provided routers.

Based on this experience, I think IPv6 is less valuable than us HN audience thinks it is. Private networks, NAT, Carrier Grade NAT are good enough, and internet really doesn't care about being completely peer-to-peer.

I think the adoption rate reflects this--it's a linear growth curve over the last 25 years. It should have been exponential.

I think cost of IPv4 reflects this--it is now below the peak, and has leveled off.

As surprising as it seems, IPv4 exhaustion has not been a serious problem. Internet marches on. IPv6 is still a solution looking for a problem, and IPv4 exhaustion wasn't one of them.

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koyote ◴[] No.41898907[source]
I recently moved to a 'cheap' ISP because I could get double the speed for half the price. They use CG-NAT and it's been awful.

I don't need to forward any ports but seemingly because I share an IP with a billion people I get Captchas everywhere (Google, Cloudflare etc.). I was even blocked from accessing Reddit without an account at some point.

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NelsonMinar ◴[] No.41899173[source]
Starlink uses CGNAT. It's awful, I'm regularly getting CAPTCHAs on random websites.

They now support IPv6 but only with dynamic address allocations so you don't get a lot of advantages from it.

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imoverclocked ◴[] No.41899712[source]
I hadn’t put that quite together. I wonder how many people would value IPv6 if they knew it meant less CAPTCHAs.
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1. NelsonMinar ◴[] No.41900113{4}[source]
CAPTCHAs are the main reason I turned IPv6 on. No idea if it will actually help in practice, it's hard to measure.

The other Starlink hassle is the geocoding for user IPv4 addresses is wildly wrong. I'm in Grass Valley, CA near Sacramento but sites all think my IP is either in Seattle or Los Angeles, depending on the week. This makes streaming services a huge PITA, I have to jump through hoops to convince them I'm in the Sacramento TV market about once a month. IPv6 could help with this too, Starlink could give out more precisely geolocated addresses. Not sure they're doing it though, all I see are IPv4 addresses in the geocoding feed: https://geoip.starlinkisp.net/feed.csv

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2. esaym ◴[] No.41900353[source]
I was on a cruise ship in the Caribbean for a week just last month and I purchased the starlink powered internet package. Looking at my IP data, location info showed that I was actually in Dallas, Texas. Very sad!
3. azalemeth ◴[] No.41901595[source]
Or, as an alternative, we try to convince people that geoIP lookups are at best uncertain and at worst actively misleading -- and perhaps shouldn't be taken at face value. I personally think this would be a great thing. For paid services that allegedly need to know where you are geographically located, use your billing address. For advertisers it's one less bit of useful information...
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4. NelsonMinar ◴[] No.41906235[source]
I agree! Now please convince Youtube TV, Hulu, and friends.

YTTV at least will prefer your phone's geolocation to the IP address, that's how I "check in" to my metro every couple of months.