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Internet Archive breached again through stolen access tokens

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492 points vladyslavfox | 8 comments | 20 Oct 24 15:00 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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trompetenaccoun ◴[20 Oct 24 15:33 UTC] No.41895988[source]▶
We need archives built on decentralized storage. Don't get me wrong, I really like and support the work Internet Archive is doing, but preserving history is too important to entrust it solely to singular entities, which means singular points of failure.
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jdiff ◴[20 Oct 24 16:19 UTC] No.41896411[source]▶
This seems to get brought at least once in the comments for every one of these articles that pops up.

The IA has tried distributing their stores, but nowhere near enough people actually put their storage where their mouths are.

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WarOnPrivacy ◴[20 Oct 24 18:00 UTC] No.41897206[source]▶
> nowhere near enough people actually put their storage where their mouths are.

Typically because most people who have the upload, don't know that they can. And if they come to the notion on their own, they won't know how.

If they put the notion to a search engine, the keywords they come up with probably don't return the needed ELI5 page.

As in: How do I [?] for the Internet Archive?, most folks won't know what [?] needs to be.

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TZubiri ◴[20 Oct 24 18:16 UTC] No.41897342[source]▶
This is literally torrents. Just give up
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briandear ◴[20 Oct 24 19:11 UTC] No.41897746[source]▶
The problem with torrents is they have a bad reputation since people use it to steal and redistribute other people’s content without their consent.
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ranger_danger ◴[20 Oct 24 21:30 UTC] No.41898634[source]▶
To me this is like saying you shouldn't use a knife because they are also used by criminals.
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John_Cena ◴[20 Oct 24 21:37 UTC] No.41898690[source]▶
This kind of talk is simply modern politik-speak. I can't stand it and the people who fall for their deception. Stretch the truth to disarm the constituents
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1. jonhohle ◴[20 Oct 24 23:51 UTC] No.41899501[source]▶
In what way? Torrents are used all over for content delivery. Battle.net uses a proprietary version of BitTorrent. It’s now owned by Microsoft. There’s many more legitimate uses as commented by many others.

Criminals using tools does not make the tools criminal.

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2. TZubiri ◴[21 Oct 24 01:52 UTC] No.41900052[source]▶
It's a matter of numbers, if tens of thousands of criminals use tech X, and it has few genuine uses, it's going to be restricted.

This has precedent in illegal drug categorization, it's not just about the damage, but its ratio of noxious to helpful use.

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3. Kerb_ ◴[21 Oct 24 02:35 UTC] No.41900213[source]▶
That precedent was and still is legally used to federally regulate marijuana harsher than fentanyl, a precedent I strongly disagree with, so you'll have to forgive me for believing that the degree to which something causes harm matters more than the amount of misuse
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4. master-lincoln ◴[21 Oct 24 12:06 UTC] No.41903245[source]▶
This precedent is problematic I think. It seems like the populist way of addressing issues. Always just following the biggest outcry instead of the symptoms. Just because there are currently more illegitimate users for a a thing we shouldn't prevent legitimate uses I think. The ratio might just be skewed because in the legitimate world you grow your audience with marketing investing tons of capital, while for illegitimate use cases, the marketing is often just word of mouth because of features.
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5. MichaelZuo ◴[21 Oct 24 13:13 UTC] No.41903814{3}[source]▶
That's how most countries work, if enough people raise a big enough fuss, it's restricted like dangerous drugs.
6. TZubiri ◴[21 Oct 24 14:08 UTC] No.41904339{3}[source]▶
Marihuana ruins millions of young minds.
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8. jonhohle ◴[21 Oct 24 23:04 UTC] No.41909475[source]▶
Literally millions of people use it (whether they know it or not).

Societies should criminalize behavior and then (shocker!) enforce the laws! Let tools be tools.