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Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations

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427 points JumpCrisscross | 14 comments | 20 Oct 24 17:26 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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jmugan ◴[20 Oct 24 18:47 UTC] No.41897583[source]▶
My daughter was accused of turning in an essay written by AI because the school software at her online school said so. Her mom watched her write the essay. I thought it was common knowledge that it was impossible to tell whether text was generated by AI. Evidently, the software vendors are either ignorant or are lying, and school administrators are believing them.
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newZWhoDis ◴[20 Oct 24 20:53 UTC] No.41898366[source]▶
The education system in the US is broadly staffed by the dumbest people from every walk of life.

If they could make it elsewhere, they would.

I don’t expect this to be a popular take here, and most replies will be NAXALT fallacies, but in aggregate it’s the truth. Sorry, your retired CEO physics teacher who you loved was not a representative sample.

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1. krick ◴[20 Oct 24 21:39 UTC] No.41898704[source]▶
It's not just USA, it's pretty much universal, as much as I've seen it. People like to pretend like it's some sort of noble profession, but I vividly remember having a conversation with recently graduated ex-classmates, where one of them was complaining that she failed to pass at every department she applied to, so she has no other choice than to apply for department of education (I guess? I don't know what is the name of the American equivalent of that thing: bachelor-level program for people who are going to be teachers). At that moment I felt suddenly validated in all my complaints about the system we just passed through.
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2. Gud ◴[21 Oct 24 04:02 UTC] No.41900573[source]▶
In some countries teaching is a highly respected profession.

Switzerland and Finland comes to mind.

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3. llm_trw ◴[21 Oct 24 05:53 UTC] No.41901040[source]▶
You can't eat respect.
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4. twoWhlsGud ◴[21 Oct 24 06:08 UTC] No.41901119[source]▶
I went to public schools in middle class neighborhoods in California from the late sixties to the early eighties. My teachers were largely excellent. I think that was due to cultural and economic factors - teaching was considered a profession for idealistic folks to go into at the time and the spread between rich and poor was less dramatic in the 50s and 60s (when my teachers were deciding their professions). So the culture made it attractive and economics made it possible. Another critical thing we seem to have lost.
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5. benjaminfh ◴[21 Oct 24 06:14 UTC] No.41901150{3}[source]▶
In those places salary (and good public services) follows respect
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6. smokel ◴[21 Oct 24 06:19 UTC] No.41901171[source]▶
Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy. We educate everyone to be the smartest person in the class, and then we don't have jobs for them. And then we complain that education is not good enough. Shouldn't we conclude that education is already a bit too good?
7. Gud ◴[21 Oct 24 06:48 UTC] No.41901357{3}[source]▶
They are well compensated.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/swiss-salaries-teachers...

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8. CalRobert ◴[21 Oct 24 07:14 UTC] No.41901509[source]▶
It was the tail end of when smart women had few intellectually stimulating options and teacher was a decent choice.
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9. CalRobert ◴[21 Oct 24 07:15 UTC] No.41901518{4}[source]▶
That article, after a very pushy illegal gdpr consent banner, says pay is stagnant and hours long
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10. llm_trw ◴[21 Oct 24 08:01 UTC] No.41901749{4}[source]▶
Having lived in 'one of those places' no salary does not.
11. Gud ◴[21 Oct 24 08:20 UTC] No.41901870{5}[source]▶
Hours are long for everyone in Switzerland.

110k in Switzerland is a good pay today. The article is from 2017.

12. amanaplanacanal ◴[21 Oct 24 09:11 UTC] No.41902134{4}[source]▶
It appears you think that giving women the same opportunities as men is a bad thing.
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13. foldr ◴[21 Oct 24 09:22 UTC] No.41902204{5}[source]▶
AStonesThrow has, err, strong opinions on this kind of thing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41885547

I would question the utility of engaging.

14. watwut ◴[21 Oct 24 09:31 UTC] No.41902253{4}[source]▶
What I take from this is that you dont like reading about history much, with clear exception of overly optimistic religious texts. The religious vocation frequently got you into pretty abusive situation and the #1 expectation was "obeisance". That was what you was supposed to do, primary. Not exactly what person you are responding to is writing about.

Moreover, women never needed to start out as teachers to "be ready for childcare". The childcare expectations were much lower at the time, but amount of chores at home massively higher.