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    Internet Archive breached again through stolen access tokens

    (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
    492 points vladyslavfox | 12 comments | 20 Oct 24 15:00 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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    trompetenaccoun ◴[20 Oct 24 15:33 UTC] No.41895988[source]▶
    We need archives built on decentralized storage. Don't get me wrong, I really like and support the work Internet Archive is doing, but preserving history is too important to entrust it solely to singular entities, which means singular points of failure.
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    jdiff ◴[20 Oct 24 16:19 UTC] No.41896411[source]▶
    This seems to get brought at least once in the comments for every one of these articles that pops up.

    The IA has tried distributing their stores, but nowhere near enough people actually put their storage where their mouths are.

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    zelphirkalt ◴[20 Oct 24 19:02 UTC] No.41897685[source]▶
    Perhaps one idea is to let people choose what they want to protect. This way people wanting to support it can have their mission.
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    1. dawnerd ◴[20 Oct 24 19:57 UTC] No.41898049[source]▶
    You already can, they have torrents for everything.
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    2. diggan ◴[20 Oct 24 21:19 UTC] No.41898563[source]▶
    > they have torrents for everything

    Including the index itself? That would be awesome.

    3. tourmalinetaco ◴[20 Oct 24 22:10 UTC] No.41898902[source]▶
    Their torrents suck and IME don’t update to changes in the archive.
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    4. vundercind ◴[20 Oct 24 23:53 UTC] No.41899505[source]▶
    This is accurate, their torrent-generating system is basically broken to the point of being useless.
    5. addandsubtract ◴[21 Oct 24 01:09 UTC] No.41899843[source]▶
    Aren't torrents terrible at handling updates in general? If you want to make a change to the data, or even just add our remove data, you have to create a new torrent and somehow get people to update their torrent and data as well.
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    6. macawfish ◴[21 Oct 24 01:39 UTC] No.41899975{3}[source]▶
    There's a mutable torrent extension (BEP-46) but unfortunately I don't think it's widely supported. I think IPFS/IPNS is the more likely direction.
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    7. tourmalinetaco ◴[21 Oct 24 05:41 UTC] No.41900988{4}[source]▶
    Which IA has moved into and hasn’t found much luck in, unfortunately.
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    8. jpk ◴[21 Oct 24 06:43 UTC] No.41901320{5}[source]▶
    How come?
    9. rbanffy ◴[21 Oct 24 08:19 UTC] No.41901865[source]▶
    Torrents are immutable in principle, which is good for preserving things. A new version of a set of files should be a new torrent.
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    10. zelphirkalt ◴[21 Oct 24 09:15 UTC] No.41902160{3}[source]▶
    How would preservationists go about automatically updating the torrent and data they seed? Or would they need to manually regularly check, if they are still seeding the up-to-date content?
    11. diggan ◴[21 Oct 24 10:48 UTC] No.41902743{3}[source]▶
    > Torrents are immutable in principle

    In practice, that's mostly how they're being used.

    But the protocol does support mutation. The BEP describing the behavior even has archive.org as an example...

    > The intention is to allow publishers to serve content that might change over time in a more decentralized fashion. Consumers interested in the publisher's content only need to know their public key + optional salt. For instance, entities like Archive.org could publish their database dumps, and benefit from not having to maintain a central HTTP feed server to notify consumers about updates.

    http://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0046.html

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    12. account42 ◴[21 Oct 24 14:54 UTC] No.41904861{4}[source]▶
    Specs are nice but does any client actually implement this?