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bastawhiz ◴[] No.41889192[source]
Lots of people are asking how good the self driving has to be before we tolerate it. I got a one month free trial of FSD and turned it off after two weeks. Quite simply: it's dangerous.

- It failed with a cryptic system error while driving

- It started making a left turn far too early that would have scraped the left side of the car on a sign. I had to manually intervene.

- In my opinion, the default setting accelerates way too aggressively. I'd call myself a fairly aggressive driver and it is too aggressive for my taste.

- It tried to make way too many right turns on red when it wasn't safe to. It would creep into the road, almost into the path of oncoming vehicles.

- It didn't merge left to make room for vehicles merging onto the highway. The vehicles then tried to cut in. The system should have avoided an unsafe situation like this in the first place.

- It would switch lanes to go faster on the highway, but then missed an exit on at least one occasion because it couldn't make it back into the right lane in time. Stupid.

After the system error, I lost all trust in FSD from Tesla. Until I ride in one and feel safe, I can't have any faith that this is a reasonable system. Hell, even autopilot does dumb shit on a regular basis. I'm grateful to be getting a car from another manufacturer this year.

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TheCleric ◴[] No.41890342[source]
> Lots of people are asking how good the self driving has to be before we tolerate it.

There’s a simple answer to this. As soon as it’s good enough for Tesla to accept liability for accidents. Until then if Tesla doesn’t trust it, why should I?

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bdcravens ◴[] No.41890927[source]
The liability for killing someone can include prison time.
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renegade-otter ◴[] No.41894710[source]
In the United States? Come on. Boeing executives are not in jail - they are getting bonuses.
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1. f1shy ◴[] No.41894852[source]
But some little boy down the line will pay for it. Look for Eschede ICE accident.
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2. renegade-otter ◴[] No.41894991[source]
There are many examples.

The Koch brothers, famous "anti-regulatory state" warriors, have fought oversight so hard that their gas pipelines were allowed to be barely intact.

Two teens get into a truck, turn the ignition key - and the air explodes:

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/news/nation-world/1996...

Does anyone go to jail? F*K NO.

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3. IX-103 ◴[] No.41895304[source]
To be fair, the teens knew about the gas leak and started the truck in an attempt to get away. Gas leaks like that shouldn't happen easily, but people near pipelines like that should also be made aware of the risks of gas leaks, as some leaks are inevitable.
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4. 8note ◴[] No.41897806{3}[source]
As an alternative though, the company also failed at handling that the gas leak started. They could have had people all over the place guiding people out and away from the leak safely, and keeping the public away while the leak is fixed.

Or, they could buy sufficient buffer land around the pipeline such that the gas leak will be found and stopped before it could explode down the road