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h_tbob ◴[19 Oct 24 23:39 UTC] No.41891691[source]▶
I don't understand how React is so popular, still. With Svelte and Vue, I don't think anybody should do a new project with React.
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1. terandle ◴[20 Oct 24 04:10 UTC] No.41892799[source]▶
This is why I think react is still the best: In react you only deal with plain values. You never have to worry about wrapping a value in an observable or calling it in a function with a tracking context. Or .valueing it or whatever.

It looks like Svelte 5 is trying to make signals "disappear" but they still leak through. Reading the docs about shallow $state.raw vs deep proxying the default $state rune in svelte 5 makes me really appreciate the plain value and simpleness of react.

The react compiler will make the biggest headache of react go away, that being useMemo, memo, and useCallback.

React has the biggest and highest quality ecosystem. It has the smartest and brightest people in this space working either on react directly or in the immediate surrounding ecosystem. React has by far the most $ backing it.

Looking ahead I think react makes the best immediate AI target. Long term AI will go past react but while we still want to vet the code with humans react will probably be the best target.

Thought of another important reason why I love react:

- It has the best TypeScript support of any framework. Partly because MS is so invested in react the typescript team is very incentivized to have good support for them.

Oh yeah and this one is imporant:

- React Native with expo is the best way to make cross platform mobile apps. Yes its better than Flutter.

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2. cageface ◴[20 Oct 24 05:46 UTC] No.41893162[source]▶
Having used both a fair bit I much prefer Flutter. RN always felt like fragile pile of hacks to me with extremely brittle builds. Flutter feels like a stack engineered for purpose from the ground up and the tooling, ecosystem and performance have been consistently great.

Also RN has no real desktop app story.