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Ribbonfarm Is Retiring

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blfr ◴[] No.41890886[source]
It seems to me that the blogosphere was not a ZIRP but rather a young Internet phenomenon. Which could exists, like usenet before it, when mere access to it was a filtering mechanism.

Once you have seven billion people with virtually no access control, you can't have a public blogosphere, and groups retreat to the cozyweb.

Either way, I enjoyed it while it lasted. Thanks for the Office series!

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

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bartread ◴[] No.41890931[source]
> Once you have seven billion people with virtually no access control, you can't have a public blogosphere, and groups retreat to the cozyweb.

Why can’t you? There’s a logical leap in this statement I don’t follow.

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rogers12 ◴[] No.41891017[source]
Those seven billion people aren't very good for the most part, and include a critical mass of spectacularly awful people. It turns out that public access forums calibrated for the small and self-selected community of mostly high quality internet pioneers aren't prepared to deal with 1000000x expansion of reachable audience. The Eternal September effect has been getting stronger ever since it's first been observed.
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add-sub-mul-div ◴[] No.41891075[source]
Yeah. That's why Twitter is useful as a kind of flypaper or quarantine. Let the passive stay and let the deliberate find new spaces that can be good the way Twitter once was. If Twitter was to go away, places like Bluesky would unavoidably get worse.
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1. lenderton ◴[] No.41891441[source]
My experience with Bluesky has been similar to my experience with other "disruptive" platforms like Cara (the anti-AI art portfolio app/site).

When a "new" (usually overall non-corporate) internet space opens up that, in theory, caters to a broader audience, the most immediate colonizers are the type of people that have some sort of "underground" bent to them - subcultural things like furries, erotic artists, etc.

Opening up Cara produces an avalanche of large-breasted foxpeople, and the last time I opened Bluesky I was met with a photo of what appeared to be a boy in his underwear. Mastodon has its dubious reputation also for child pornography.

I'm just saying, the mainstream internet is moderated for a reason. Being mainstream, there's money behind it, and with money comes power - this results in moderation that is usually politically motivated, and so in recent years there has been an exodus of the masses to low-moderation platforms like Tiktok, or things like Kick for younger users.

When a platform or site is staffed small, such that it cannot afford to moderate, it will be suffocated by the "undesirable" groups I mentioned, earlier, as though they were some sort of choking algae. There are so many of these people "empowered" these days that, from what I have seen, it is really hard to start new social media sites without corporate resources. Twitter is already plagued with OnlyFans bots due to being smaller now, and streaming platforms are forced to aggressively build themselves to be resilient against similar sexual content creators, who are the first people that show up. Most times these creators will be working for an organization.

In the end...could Twitter have existed in a non-sh*tty form in the first place? It was rapidly approaching bankruptcy when Musk was (in the end) forced to purchase it (lol). If not him, someone else would have acquired it, probably a corporation, and monetized the content to keep it afloat.

I think in the end, the landscape is going to look more like Tiktok (computerized moderation) for anything beyond Meta. Smaller social media platforms will be seedy and not widely populated. Forums will continue to be used by countries with their own internet ecosystems, like Korea or Nigeria or Finland, but not really exist in global lingua franca English beyond a handful of major ones like SomethingAwful.

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2. MichaelZuo ◴[] No.41891504[source]
Bingo, the problem is that with a world population of 8 billion, there are easily 8 million people who genuinely do want to see vast amounts of furry porn the moment they open up an app.

Filtering out even a tenth of them, say 800 000, just takes too much effort for a startup, so there’s no viable pathway without being incredibly popular and scaling incredibly quickly to just drown out all the unpalatable users. i.e. Tiktok

3. julianeon ◴[] No.41891534[source]
Bluesky and Mastodon, for the average user, are G rated compared to the avalanche of smut on Twitter/X.
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4. tbrownaw ◴[] No.41891945[source]
> avalanche of smut on Twitter/X

I haven't seen this.

Maybe you only run into that sort of thing if you go looking for that sort of thing?

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5. add-sub-mul-div ◴[] No.41892169[source]
> It was rapidly approaching bankruptcy

No. It was profitable in 2019. Under the old ownership it could have easily become profitable again by correcting the overhiring and not pissing off advertisers.

6. lstodd ◴[] No.41892278[source]
Being in internets from before there were internets... I just cannot believe what I read nowadays.

This tldr I reply to is especially pathetic. If your beliefs are so fragile, if someone's post can crush them then you must, MUST question yourself, not some irrelevant JSON sitting who knows where.

Otherwise you do not deserve any respect or attention. You do not even have a right to be listened to.

This thing is called self-respect. If you do not have it then you are nothing. It follows .. well 4chan follows. For some time I and many others thought that this mocking taken to extreme would tell people basic truths. Alas. Still we had some fun

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7. add-sub-mul-div ◴[] No.41892286{3}[source]
The top replies to any big viral tweet are Onlyfans models and other spammers.
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8. julianeon ◴[] No.41892477{3}[source]
Even if you accept this at face value (I don’t) note the problem: on Bluesky and Mastodon, you have to look for racy content and then follow it on purpose. It must be a deliberate, intentional choice. For the average user, my experience has been that Bluesky and Mastodon are, if anything, too tame and boring.

Whereas Twitter/X is pushing for whatever brings engagement, damn the consequences.

9. tbrownaw ◴[] No.41892757{4}[source]
I usually have to expand the "more replies" and often also the "probably spam" sections to see those.
10. aaronbrethorst ◴[] No.41893076{3}[source]
It’s incredibly hard to avoid graphic images of dead children if you even lightly engage with political content on Xitter
11. kelnos ◴[] No.41893135[source]
> It was rapidly approaching bankruptcy

I don't think that's a foregone conclusion.

> when Musk was (in the end) forced to purchase it

And because it's private now, we have no idea what its financial situation is. My expectation is that they're much worse off financially since Musk's acquisition, even after shedding most of the staff.

A lot of people I know predicted Twitter would be completely shut down within a year of Musk's acquisition. I wasn't quite so quick to agree, but I think we're still going to get there eventually unless Musk drastically changes course.

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13. AlexandrB ◴[] No.41893991[source]
> A lot of people I know predicted Twitter would be completely shut down within a year of Musk's acquisition.

As one of those people, I'm definitely eating crow. Three things happened that bode well for Twitter's future:

1. Musk has attracted a loyal core of true believers that think he has saved free speech with the Twitter purchase.

2. The Overton window of online discussion has started moving right. In particular, companies are becoming less interested in toeing a left ideological line with their ad spending.

3. A bunch of people who hate X and hate Musk and his politics stayed on Twitter! To me this is most surprising of all, but perhaps shouldn't be because many of these same people posted to Twitter in the past while simultaneously calling it things like "the hellsite"[1].

I'm no longer sure we'll ever "get there" other than if a new paradigm marginalizes all of social media the way social media marginalized blogging.

[1] https://samkriss.substack.com/p/welcome-to-hell

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14. kQq9oHeAz6wLLS ◴[] No.41895541{3}[source]
Regarding your 3rd point, this is the same behavior we see when people say they're leaving the country if X candidate wins an election. They never leave, because change is hard and they're addicted to the attention they get when they complain.
15. LightBug1 ◴[] No.41895553{3}[source]
Proud to be one of those that ditched "the hellsite", and it remains ditched. One of the best moves I've ever made.
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17. lenderton ◴[] No.41899793{3}[source]
The blast of "For You" inauthenticity that hits a fresh X/Twitter account is about equaled by the astroturf fiesta that hits a fresh Instagram Threads account. The underlying modus operandi of the apps are the same, regardless of political declension.

Difference between the two is that beneath the surface Twitter is a functional social environment, while Threads is certainly not.