US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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bastawhiz ◴[19 Oct 24 17:33 UTC] No.41889192[source]▶

Lots of people are asking how good the self driving has to be before we tolerate it. I got a one month free trial of FSD and turned it off after two weeks. Quite simply: it's dangerous.

- It failed with a cryptic system error while driving

- It started making a left turn far too early that would have scraped the left side of the car on a sign. I had to manually intervene.

- In my opinion, the default setting accelerates way too aggressively. I'd call myself a fairly aggressive driver and it is too aggressive for my taste.

- It tried to make way too many right turns on red when it wasn't safe to. It would creep into the road, almost into the path of oncoming vehicles.

- It didn't merge left to make room for vehicles merging onto the highway. The vehicles then tried to cut in. The system should have avoided an unsafe situation like this in the first place.

- It would switch lanes to go faster on the highway, but then missed an exit on at least one occasion because it couldn't make it back into the right lane in time. Stupid.

After the system error, I lost all trust in FSD from Tesla. Until I ride in one and feel safe, I can't have any faith that this is a reasonable system. Hell, even autopilot does dumb shit on a regular basis. I'm grateful to be getting a car from another manufacturer this year.

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modeless ◴[19 Oct 24 18:17 UTC] No.41889518[source]▶

>>41889192 #

Tesla jumped the gun on the FSD free trial earlier this year. It was nowhere near good enough at the time. Most people who tried it for the first time probably share your opinion.

That said, there is a night and day difference between FSD 12.3 that you experienced earlier this year and the latest version 12.6. It will still make mistakes from time to time but the improvement is massive and obvious. More importantly, the rate of improvement in the past two months has been much faster than before.

Yesterday I spent an hour in the car over three drives and did not have to turn the steering wheel at all except for parking. That never happened on 12.3. And I don't even have 12.6 yet, this is still 12.5; others report that 12.6 is a noticeable improvement over 12.5. And version 13 is scheduled for release in the next two weeks, and the FSD team has actually hit their last few release milestones.

People are right that it is still not ready yet, but if they think it will stay that way forever they are about to be very surprised. At the current rate of improvement it will be quite good within a year and in two or three I could see it actually reaching the point where it could operate unsupervised.

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1. delusional ◴[19 Oct 24 20:07 UTC] No.41890374[source]▶

>>41889518 #

> That said, there is a night and day difference between FSD 12.3 that you experienced earlier this year and the latest version 12.6

>And I don't even have 12.6 yet, this is still 12.5;

How am i supposed to take anything you say seriously when your only claim is a personal anecdote that doesn't even apply to your own argument. Please, think about what you're writing, and please stop repeating information you heard on youtube as if it's fact.

The is one of the reasons (among many) that I can't take Tesla booster seriously. I have absolutely zero faith in your anecdote that you didn't touch the steering wheel. I bet it's a lie.

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2. modeless ◴[19 Oct 24 20:17 UTC] No.41890454[source]▶

>>41890374 (TP) #

The version I have is already a night and day difference from 12.3 and the current version is better still. Nothing I said is contradictory in the slightest. Apply some basic reasoning, please.

I didn't say I didn't touch the steering wheel. I had my hands lightly touching it most of the time, as one should for safety. I occasionally used the controls on the wheel as well as the accelerator pedal to adjust the set speed, and I used the turn signal to suggest lane changes from time to time, though most lane choices were made automatically. But I did not turn the wheel. All turning was performed by the system. (If you turn the wheel manually the system disengages). Other than parking, as I mentioned, though FSD did handle some navigation into and inside parking lots.

3. eric_cc ◴[19 Oct 24 20:18 UTC] No.41890462[source]▶

>>41890374 (TP) #

I can second this experience. I rarely touch the wheel anymore. I’d say I’m 98% FSD. I take over in school zones, parking lots, and complex construction.

4. jsjohnst ◴[19 Oct 24 23:38 UTC] No.41891686[source]▶

>>41890374 (TP) #

> I have absolutely zero faith in your anecdote that you didn't touch the steering wheel. I bet it's a lie.

I’m not GP, but I can share video showing it driving across residential, city, highway, and even gravel roads all in a single trip without touching the steering wheel a single time over a 90min trip (using 12.5.4.1).

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5. jsjohnst ◴[20 Oct 24 00:52 UTC] No.41892020[source]▶

>>41891686 #

And if someone wants to claim I’m cherry picking the video, happy to shoot a new video with this post visible on an iPad in the seat next to me. Is it autonomous? Hell no. Can it drive in Manhattan? Nope. But can it do >80% of my regular city (suburb outside nyc) and highway driving, yep.

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6. lucianbr ◴[21 Oct 24 12:18 UTC] No.41903350{3}[source]▶

>>41892020 #

It's so obviously cherry-picking, I have no idea what you are even thinking. To not be cherry-picking would mean that it's actually ready and works fine in all situations, and there's no way Musk would not shout that out from rooftops and sell it yesterday.

Obviously it works some time on some roads, but not all the time on all the roads. A film with it when it works on the road it works is cherry-picking. Look up what the term means.

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