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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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410 points jjulius | 6 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:01 UTC | HN request time: 0.019s | source | bottom
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AlchemistCamp ◴[19 Oct 24 17:17 UTC] No.41889077[source]▶
The interesting question is how good self-driving has to be before people tolerate it.

It's clear that having half the casualty rate per distance traveled of the median human driver isn't acceptable. How about a quarter? Or a tenth? Accidents caused by human drivers are one of the largest causes of injury and death, but they're not newsworthy the way an accident involving automated driving is. It's all too easy to see a potential future where many people die needlessly because technology that could save lives is regulated into a greatly reduced role.

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iovrthoughtthis ◴[19 Oct 24 17:24 UTC] No.41889114[source]▶
at least 10x better than a human
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1. becquerel ◴[19 Oct 24 17:25 UTC] No.41889127[source]▶
I believe Waymo has already beaten this metric.
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2. szundi ◴[19 Oct 24 17:33 UTC] No.41889189[source]▶
Waymo is limited to cities that their engineers has to map and this map maintained.

You cannot put a waymo in a new city before that. With Tesla, what you get is universal.

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4. RivieraKid ◴[19 Oct 24 18:09 UTC] No.41889466[source]▶
Waymo is robust to removing the map / lidars / radars / cameras or adding inaccuracies to any of these 4 inputs.

(Not sure if this is true for the production system or the one they're still working on.)

5. dageshi ◴[20 Oct 24 10:15 UTC] No.41894346[source]▶
I think the Waymo approach is the one that will actually deliver some measure of self driving cars that people will be comfortable to use.

It won't operate everywhere, but it will gradually expand to cover large areas and it will keep expanding till it's near ubiquitous.

I'm dubious that the Tesla approach will actually ever work.

6. kelnos ◴[20 Oct 24 10:43 UTC] No.41894466[source]▶
Waymo is safe where they've mapped and trained and tested, because they track when their test drivers have to take control.

Tesla FSD is just everywhere, without any accountability or trained testing on all the roads people use them on. We have no idea how often Tesla FSD users have to take control from FSD due to a safety issue.

Waymo is objectively safer, and their entire approach is objectively safer, and is actually measurable, whereas Tesla FSD's safety cannot actually be accurately measured.