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    410 points jjulius | 11 comments | | HN request time: 0.204s | source | bottom
    1. botanical ◴[] No.41885050[source]
    Only the US government can allow corporations to beta test unproven technology on the public.

    Governments should carry out comprehensive tests on a self-driving car's claimed capabilities. This is the same as cars without proven passenger safety (Euro NCAP) aren't allowed to be on roads carrying passengers.

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    2. krasin ◴[] No.41885052[source]
    > Only the US government can allow corporations to beta test unproven technology on the public.

    China and Russia do it too. It's not an excuse, but definitely not just the US.

    3. CTDOCodebases ◴[] No.41885127[source]
    Meh. Happens all around the world. Even if the product works there is no guarantee that it will be safe.

    Asbestos products are a good example of this. A more recent one is Teflon made with PFOAs or engineered stone like Caesarstone.

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    4. dzhiurgis ◴[] No.41885132[source]
    If it takes 3 months to approve where steel rocket falls you might as well give up iterating something as complex as FSD.
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    5. bckr ◴[] No.41885153[source]
    Drive it in larger and larger closed courses. Expand to neighboring areas with consent of the communities involved. Agree on limited conditions until enough data has been gathered to expand those conditions.
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    6. AlotOfReading ◴[] No.41885183[source]
    There are industry standards for this stuff. ISO 21448, UL-4600, UNECE R157 for example, and even commercial certification programs like the one run by TÜV Süd for European homologation. It's a deliberate series of decisions on Tesla's part to make their regulatory life as difficult as possible.
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    8. akira2501 ◴[] No.41885399[source]
    > Only the US government

    Any Legislative body can do so. There's no reason to limit this strictly to the federal government. States and municipalities should have a say in this as well. The _citizens_ are the only entity that _decide_ if beta technology can be used or not.

    > comprehensive tests on a self-driving car's claimed capabilities.

    This presupposes the government is naturally capable of performing an adequate job at this task or that the automakers won't sue the government to interfere with the testing regime and efficacy of it's standards.

    > aren't allowed to be on roads carrying passengers.

    According to Wikipedia Euro NCAP is a _voluntary_ organization and describes the situation thusly "legislation sets a minimum compulsory standard whilst Euro NCAP is concerned with best possible current practice." Which effectively highlights the above problems perfectly.

    9. romon ◴[] No.41885423{3}[source]
    While controlled conditions promote safety, they do not yield effective training data.
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    10. AlotOfReading ◴[] No.41885523{4}[source]
    That's how all autonomous testing programs currently work around the world. That is, every driverless vehicle system on roads today was developed this way. You're going to have to be more specific when you say that it doesn't work.
    11. dham ◴[] No.41898836[source]
    Uhh, have you heard of the FDA? It's approved hundreds of chemicals that are put in all of food. And we're not talking about a few deaths, we're talking hundreds of thousands if not millions.