US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane).

Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

Why do you drive a car that routinely tries to kill you? That would put me right off. Can't you just turn off the autopilot?

My guess is the driver tests it regularly.

How does it do X, Y, ooh Z works, etc...

> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me

> Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

It is very generous that you would selflessly sacrifice your own life so that others might one day enjoy Elon’s dream of robot taxis without steering wheels

Even more generous to selflessly sacrifice the lives and property of others that the vehicle "self-drives" itself into.

And what if the car swerves, and you aren't able to correct in time and end up killing someone?

Is that your fault or the car's?

I would bet that since it's your car, and you're using a knowingly unproven technology, it would be your fault?

The driver’s fault. Tesla never accepts liability.

Emergency breaking will sure as hell kill you or at least the person behind you when you’re going 75 or 80 in the first lane.

> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me

Why on earth would you continue to use it? If it does succeed someday that's on you

That’s hilariously ironic because I have a pretty standard newish Japanese petrol car (I’m not mentioning the brand because my point isn’t that brand x is better than brand y), and it has no ai self driving functions just pretty basic radar adaptive cruise control and emergency brake assist where it will stop if there’s a car brake hard in front of you… and it does a remarkable job at rejecting cars which are slowing down or stopped in other lanes, even when you’re going around a corner and the car is pointing straight towards the other cars but not actually heading towards them since it’s turning. I assume they are using the steering input to help reject other vehicles and dopler effects to detect differences in speed, but it’s remarkable how accurate it is at matching the speed of the car in front of you and only the car in front of you, even when that car is over 15 seconds in front of you. If teslas can’t beat that, it’s sad

If the data sharing checkboxes are clicked, OP can still help send in training data while driving on his own.

I'm not a fan of Elon, Tesla, or "FSD", but for what it's worth, that's absolutely the fault of the person behind you for not maintaining appropriate stopping distance.

And they have been very clear about that

It's a pretty nice car when it's not trying to kill me

> that’s on you

They’d be dead, doubt it’s a concern at that point.

I wonder, how are you "driving"? Are you sitting behind the wheel doing nothing except watch really good everything the car does so you can take over when needed? Isn't that a stressful experience? Wouldn't it be more comfortable to just do everything yourself so you know nothing weird can happen?

Also, if the car does something crazy, how much time do you have to react? I can imagine in some situations you might have too little time to prevent the accident the car is creating.

> Isn't that a stressful experience?

It's actually really easy and kind of relaxing. For long drives, it dramatically reduces cognitive load leading to less fatigue and more alertness on the road.

My hand is always on the wheel so I can react as soon as I feel the car doing something weird.

I would say less than 5% of people maintain the required 30-50ft of recommended distance needed to stop safely at those speeds.

The stopping distance required at 75mph is at least 250-300 feet, in optimal conditions.

Then I guess they're not skilled enough to be granted the privilege of driving at those speeds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You can work backwards from this - the vast majority of people in the US don't agree with that statement. You might be able to get them there, if Americans didn't have to be as car dependent due to their built environment. But because so many people are already car dependent, it's hard to make those changes.

The one theory of change I think is approachable suggests allowing dramatic increases in density in places that are not car dependent - the people who live there are much more likely to agree with us, so letting the number of people who live there 10x or even 100x could lead to this kind of change you propose.

Yeah that’s definitely not happening.