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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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410 points jjulius | 6 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:01 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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ivewonyoung ◴[19 Oct 24 01:34 UTC] No.41884954[source]▶
> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury

> The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system as well as 2017-2024 Model 3, 2020-2024 Model Y, and 2023-2024 Cybertruck vehicles.

This is good, but also for context 45 thousand people are killed in auto accidents in just the US every year, making 4 report crashes and 1 reported fatality for 2.4 million vehicles over 8 years look miniscule by comparison, or even better than many human drivers.

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1. tapoxi ◴[19 Oct 24 01:47 UTC] No.41885014[source]▶
I don't agree with this comparison. The drivers are licensed, they have met a specific set of criteria to drive on public roads. The software is not.

We are not sure when FSD is engaged with all of these miles driven, and if FSD is making mistakes a licensed human driver would not. I would at the very least expect radical transparency.

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2. fallingknife ◴[19 Oct 24 02:50 UTC] No.41885269[source]▶
I too care more about bureaucratic compliance than what the actual chances of something killing me are. When I am on that ambulance I will be thinking "at least that guy met the specific set of criteria to be licensed to drive on public roads."
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3. tapoxi ◴[19 Oct 24 03:28 UTC] No.41885436[source]▶
Are we really relegating drivers licenses to "bureaucratic compliance"?

If FSD is being used in a public road, it impacts everyone on that road, not just the person who opted-in to using FSD. I absolutely want an independent agency to ensure it's safe and armed with the data that proves it.

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4. fallingknife ◴[19 Oct 24 13:56 UTC] No.41887797{3}[source]▶
What else are they? You jump through hoops to get a piece of plastic from the government that declares you "safe." And then holders of those licenses go out and kill 40,000 people every year just in the US.
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5. tapoxi ◴[20 Oct 24 02:08 UTC] No.41892367{4}[source]▶
And you're comparing that against what? That's 40,000 with regulation in place. Imagine if we let anyone drive without training.
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6. fallingknife ◴[20 Oct 24 18:14 UTC] No.41897319{5}[source]▶
We do. Nobody crazy enough to drive without knowing how is going to not be crazy enough to drive without a piece of plastic from the government.