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mmooss ◴[] No.41882342[source]
What happens if the GOP wins in a couple of weeks? Would there be any way these actions can be sustainable for more than a few months?
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1. doe_eyes ◴[] No.41882419[source]
Following the Reagan era, the GOP had a period of wanting to reign in the federal government, but I don't think that's quite true now. Folks like Trump or DeSantis are not pro-small-government, they just want to use it to advance different social policies. In the fight between farmers and Deere, I doubt they'd side with the company.

Data point: Trump's VP nominee likes what the FTC is doing - https://fortune.com/2024/08/11/jd-vance-5000-child-tax-credi...

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2. NoNotTheDuo ◴[] No.41882714[source]
Alternative data points:

> Under Project 2025, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) would be eliminated, and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) would be privatized

> The Department of Education would be eliminated and oversight of education and federal funding for education will be handed over to the states

> The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) would be eliminated and moved to the Department of Interior or the Department of Transportation if combined with the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)

> The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)’s many regional labs and entire offices of enforcement and compliance and scientific integrity and risk information would be eliminated.

> The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is to “privatize as much as possible” and close many hospitals and clinics.

> The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) would be taken apart and send much of its work to states and other agencies

> The Department of Justice (DOJ) would lose its independence and be under control of the President

> The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) would be drastically reduced and split into two entities: one gathering scientific data and one making public health recommendations and policies.

Source: https://www.afge.org/article/project-2025-seeks-to-dismantle...

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3. e44858 ◴[] No.41882877[source]
How is "project 2025" relevant? It's a random blog post that was never endorsed by Trump or Vance.
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4. mcmcmc ◴[] No.41882915[source]
Trump’s VP nominee also completely flipped his views in the last few years to join the ranks of conservative grifters feeding off anti-immigrant and anti-“woke” sentiment. I wouldn’t trust anything he says.

The Trump/Vance admin will support whichever side they believe will benefit them financially, which won’t be the farmers.

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5. WarOnPrivacy ◴[] No.41883020{3}[source]
> How is "project 2025" relevant? It's a random blog post.

This seems to massively undersell the resources that went into it's creation and promotion. ref:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

6. cyberax ◴[] No.41883039{3}[source]
> Donald Trump Says Project 2025 Author 'Coming on Board' If Elected

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-project-2025-auth...

7. psadauskas ◴[] No.41883086{3}[source]
"never endorsed by Vance"?!

Vance literally wrote the forward to an upcoming book by Heritage Foundation President Kevin D. Roberts, the organization responsible for Project 2025. It is absolutely relevant.

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9. Terr_ ◴[] No.41883494[source]
> > Folks like Trump or DeSantis are not pro-small-government

> Alternative data points

Presenting that list as a counter suggests that "leave it to the states" necessarily means "more freedom for individuals", which is very questionable. Look what just happened to abortion rights.

The ur-example in American history would be literal slavery.

> The Department of Justice (DOJ) would lose its independence and be under control of the President

Hold up, is this "big government" as measured by employee count, or is this "big government" as measured by oppressive power?

A dictatorship can get away with far fewer public-employees than a democracy, yet it's not the kind of "small government" anybody should want.

10. Centigonal ◴[] No.41883742{3}[source]
Ah, yes, that random blog of no particular note or influence, the Heritage Foundation.
11. potato3732842 ◴[] No.41884399[source]
Aren't the 1s and 3rd points basically just a reversion to how things were pre 9/11? I have a hard time seeing those by themselves as a bad thing.
12. zaphar ◴[] No.41884457{4}[source]
Not to endorse project 2025 or Vance, however, Your example is not an endorsement. It's an association which does not in any way imply endorsement.
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13. Sohcahtoa82 ◴[] No.41884483{3}[source]
This is not a claim that is possible to make in good faith.
14. mmooss ◴[] No.41885261{5}[source]
I think it does imply some support and agreement.
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15. zaphar ◴[] No.41887362{6}[source]
I associate and even am friends with all kinds of people I don't agree with. Implying that I endorse their views just because I associate with them would be to assign motivations to me that I don't have.
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16. Eumenes ◴[] No.41887573[source]
> the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) would be eliminated

The DHS was created in the wake of 9/11 by GW and has furthered the security/police state. They fail pretty hard at securing the border as wlel.

> the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) would be privatized

The TSA is a jobs program for rude/mean people who also steal/assault passengers. It did not exist pre-2001. Privatizing it makes sense. Its workers form unions that extort the taxpayer.

> The Department of Education would be eliminated and oversight of education and federal funding for education will be handed over to the states

Good. All the DoE does is service loans and hand out free money to the broken higher education system. They don't set curriculum. Every state has its own DoE as well. Every educational metric has declined under the DoE as well. Its essentially a jobs program for bureaucrats.

> The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is to “privatize as much as possible” and close many hospitals and clinics.

As a Vet, the VA is a total mess. I can't see how it could get worse by becoming private. Lets shake things up.

> The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) would be taken apart and send much of its work to states and other agencies

HUD is probably the worst landlord in the country. States have public housing agencies already as well.

17. snickerbockers ◴[] No.41887821[source]
The second statement does not follow from the first statement. You're suggesting that Trump will surround himself with sycophants based on him choosing as his running mate somebody who has publicly criticized him in the past.
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19. NotPractical ◴[] No.41889493[source]
> Trump's VP nominee likes what the FTC is doing

Actions speak louder than words, and the DNC's VP passed the most comprehensive right to repair legislation ever in the U.S. in his home state: https://www.theregister.com/2023/05/25/minnesota_right_to_re...

(Doesn't cover farming equipment but still a huge step in the right direction.) You can also be certain that Big Tech was fuming when this was passed.

20. mmooss ◴[] No.41891291{7}[source]
That's not what happened.

Writing an introduction to someone's book, as a public figure, is lending your reputation to them - that's the point, to put your name and reputation behind them, and so they can show that off for credibility.

21. mcmcmc ◴[] No.41902451{3}[source]
Trump’s short term memory loss is a common symptom of old age and dementia.