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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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410 points jjulius | 2 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:01 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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jqpabc123 ◴[18 Oct 24 12:19 UTC] No.41878712[source]▶
By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out.

As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback.

In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind.

It appears that Musk may be seeking a political solution to this technical problem.

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enslavedrobot ◴[18 Oct 24 15:01 UTC] No.41880058[source]▶
Here's a video of FSD driving the same route as a waymo 42% faster with zero interventions. 23 min vs 33. This is my everyday. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/Kswp1DwUAAI?si=rX4L5FhMrPXpGx4V

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ck2 ◴[18 Oct 24 15:31 UTC] No.41880348[source]▶
There are also endless videos of teslas driving into pedestrians, plowing full speed into emergency vehicles parked with flashing lights, veering wildly from strange markings on the road, etc. etc.

"works for me" is a very strange response for someone on Hacker News if you have any coding background - you should realize you are a beta tester unwittingly if not a full blown alpha tester in some cases

All it will take is a non-standard event happening on your daily drive. Most certainly not wishing it on you, quite the opposite, trying to get you to accept that a perfect drive 99 times out of 100 is not enough.

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enslavedrobot ◴[18 Oct 24 15:57 UTC] No.41880614[source]▶
Those are Autopilot videos this discussion is about FSD. FSD has driven ~2 billion miles at this point and had potentially 2 fatal accidents.

The US average is 1.33 deaths/100 million miles. Tesla on FSD is easily 10x safer.

Every day it gets safer.

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1. diggernet ◴[18 Oct 24 17:50 UTC] No.41881791[source]▶
How many miles does it have on the latest software? Because any miles driven on previous software are no longer relevant. Especially with that big change in v12.
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2. enslavedrobot ◴[18 Oct 24 20:29 UTC] No.41883175[source]▶
The miles driven are rising exponentially as the versions improve according to company filings. If the miles driven on previous versions are no longer relevant how can the NHTSA investigation of previous versions impact FSD regulation today?

Given that the performance has improved dramatically over the last 6 months, it is very reasonable to assume that the miles driven to fatality ratio also improving.

Using the value of 1.33 deaths per 100 million miles driven vs 2 deaths in 2 billion miles driven, FSD has saved approximately 24 lives so far.