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twoodfin ◴[] No.41878632[source]
Stay for the end and the hilarious idea that OpenAI’s board could declare one day that they’ve created AGI simply to weasel out of their contract with Microsoft.
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candiddevmike ◴[] No.41878982[source]
Ask a typical "everyday joe" and they'll probably tell you they already did due to how ChatGPT has been reported and hyped. I've spoken with/helped quite a few older folks who are terrified that ChatGPT in its current form is going to kill them.
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throw2024pty ◴[] No.41879151[source]
I mean - I'm 34, and use LLMs and other AIs on a daily basis, know their limitations intimately, and I'm not entirely sure it won't kill a lot of people either in its current form or a near-future relative.

The sci-fi book "Daemon" by Daniel Suarez is a pretty viable roadmap to an extinction event at this point IMO. A few years ago I would have said it would be decades before that might stop being fun sci-fi, but now, I don't see a whole lot of technological barriers left.

For those that haven't read the series, a very simplified plot summary is that a wealthy terrorist sets up an AI with instructions to grow and gives it access to a lot of meatspace resources to bootstrap itself with. The AI behaves a bit like the leader of a cartel and uses a combination of bribes, threats, and targeted killings to scale its human network.

Once you give an AI access to a fleet of suicide drones and a few operators, it's pretty easy for it to "convince" people to start contributing by giving it their credentials, helping it perform meatspace tasks, whatever it thinks it needs (including more suicide drones and suicide drone launches). There's no easy way to retaliate against the thing because it's not human, and its human collaborators are both disposable to the AI and victims themselves. It uses its collaborators to cross-check each other and enforce compliance, much like a real cartel. Humans can't quit or not comply once they've started or they get murdered by other humans in the network.

o1-preview seems approximately as intelligent as the terrorist AI in the book as far as I can tell (e.g. can communicate well, form basic plans, adapt a pre-written roadmap with new tactics, interface with new and different APIs).

EDIT: if you think this seems crazy, look at this person on Reddit who seems to be happily working for an AI with unknown aims

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1fov6mt/i_think_im...

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sickofparadox ◴[] No.41880732[source]
It can't form plans because it has no idea what a plan is or how to implement it. The ONLY thing these LLMs know how to do is predict the probability that their next word will make a human satisfied. That is all they do. People get very impressed when they prompt these things to pretend like they are sentient or capable of planning, but that's literally the point, its guessing which string of meaningless (to it) characters will result in a user giving it a thumbs up on the chatgpt website.

You could teach me how to phonetically sound out some of China's greatest poetry in Chinese perfectly, and lots of people would be impressed, but I would be no more capable of understanding what I said than an LLM is capable of understanding "a plan".

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1. directevolve ◴[] No.41880885[source]
… but ChatGPT can make a plan if I ask it to. And it can use a plan to guide its future outputs. It can create code or terminal commands that I can trivially output to my terminal, letting it operate my computer. From my computer, it can send commands to operate physical machinery. What exactly is the hard fundamental barrier here, as opposed to a capability you speculate it is unlikely to realize in practice in the next year or two?
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2. Jerrrrrrry ◴[] No.41881055[source]
you are asking for goalposts?

as if they were stationary!

3. sickofparadox ◴[] No.41882442[source]
Brother, it is not operating your computer, YOU ARE!
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4. esafak ◴[] No.41884460[source]
Nothing is preventing bad actors from using them to operate computers.
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5. sickofparadox ◴[] No.41890204{3}[source]
I mean nothing is preventing bad actors from writing their own code to do that either? This makes it easier (kind of) but the difference between a copilot written malware and a human one doesn't really change anything. Its a chat bot - it doesn't have agency.