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Reflections on Palantir

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asdasdsddd ◴[] No.41864951[source]
I worked there in the weird era. A couple things.

1. As per usual, the things that make palantir well known not even close to being the most dubious things.

2. I agree that the rank and file of palantir is no different from typical sv talent.

3. The services -> product transition was cool, I didn't weigh it as much as should've, but I did purchase fomo insurance after they ipo'd

4. The shadow hierarchy was so bad, it's impossible to figure out who you actually needed to talk to.

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avmich ◴[] No.41865111[source]
It would also be interesting to hear thoughts on the company of somebody like Cory Doctorow.

Edit: aha, found. https://doctorow.medium.com/how-palantir-will-steal-the-nhs-...

"Palantir is one of the most sinister companies on the global stage, a company whose pitch is to sell humans rights abuses as a service. The customers for this turnkey service include America’s most corrupt police departments, who use Palantir’s products to monitor protest movements.

Palantir’s clients also include the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a federal agency who rely on Palantir’s products for their ethnic cleansing..."

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okasaki ◴[] No.41867235[source]
> Palantir’s clients also include the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a federal agency who rely on Palantir’s products for their ethnic cleansing..."

And don't forget the UK National Health Service

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Aeolun ◴[] No.41868046[source]
Are you trying to say that working for the NHS is bad? I’d choose the NHS over a great many other things if given the option.
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scott_w ◴[] No.41868486[source]
The discussion of Palantir in the NHS is not a question of whether "Palantir are good/bad for taking NHS work," it's actually "should the NHS contract out to (and share sensitive patient data with) a company with a reputation like Palantir?"

The first question makes no sense at all. The latter question, however, is an important one for democratic governments to tackle.

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crimsoneer ◴[] No.41868737[source]
I think the challenging question here is that while palantir obviously have a reputation, they're practically not that different to any of the big consultancies.
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scott_w ◴[] No.41870649[source]
Specific to the NHS, Palantir not being a UK company was a big talking point, so yes, that's a tangible difference between Palantir and, say, Capita.

Your (and the sibling) responses also beg the question: must governments contract to big foreign consultancies? It's not illegal to do things in-house if they so choose, you know.

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Aeolun ◴[] No.41876006[source]
I think by the point you are ready to hire a big foreign consultancy you’ve generally tried in-house and failed.

Of course you can try with a local consultancy, but I wouldn’t know of any, and I assume the reason for choosing one over the other is mostly a matter of reputation.

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1. scott_w ◴[] No.41878842[source]
I think you’re giving the British government far too much credit. Between 2010-2024, the governing party had a religious belief in the power of outsourcing to the point that former ministers (Rory Stewart being one) have spoken out about how many problems they caused by pushing the model to its extremes, irrespective of whether it makes sense or not.

Where it comes to organisational complexity and the barriers it creates, bear in mind that the British state is vastly more centralised than the USA. Fragmentation in the NHS was massively exacerbated by the Lansley Reforms which also forced trusts to outsource a lot of work.