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Reflections on Palantir

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tdeck ◴[] No.41861823[source]
> During the 2016-2020 era especially, telling people you worked at Palantir was unpopular. The company was seen as spy tech, NSA surveillance, or worse.

Lots of people still see it in exactly this way. The fact that Palantir IPO'd and is a magnet for investors doesn't contradict this. Palantir always had a reputation for champagne and surveillance.

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orochimaaru ◴[] No.41862142[source]
So does AT&T and Verizon which would fall in the morally neutral category. Even big tech - Google/meta are probably classified as morally neutral but in reality gray areas. The US government probably has access to all that data - with our without warrants.

I also agree with his premise. There is really no gray area working for defense tech in the US. In my opinion people have a rather lopsided view of that. You would rarely find any other nation that where defense tech companies are turned away from job fairs. Kinda ridiculous.

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subjectsigma ◴[] No.41871651[source]
I work for a government contractor that does quite a number of things for a diverse set of agencies. You would be amazed at the mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves you are some sort of child-eating monster. 80% of the time they have absolutely no idea what my company does nor what working for the military is actually like.

“Where do you work?”

“Oh at $COMPANY.”

“I hear they work in missile defense technology, you should be ashamed. Gaza Israel blah blah blah”

“Oh, well sorry you feel that way.”

“So how many innocent children you bombed this week?”

“Actually zero, I spent the week writing Ansible and bash scripts. Then I went to a presentation about a team trying to stop $COUNTRY from hacking into the electric grid and shutting down power to hospitals. Then I read a report about improving 911 tech backends and other emergency services. Then I had lunch with my friend, who works in forensics catching sex traffickers, and he told me some crazy stories.”

“Wow I didn’t know you guys did all that stuff at $COMPANY…”

“Sounds about right…”

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aguaviva ◴[] No.41871866[source]
And yet, if $COMPANY is also providing munitions for "Gaza Israel blah blah", then by continuing to work for $COMPANY, you are also very much a part of that.

It doesn't matter what department you are in, or the neat little Ansible scripts you get to write.

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1. subjectsigma ◴[] No.41876212{3}[source]
I suppose you’re also complicit in the deforestation of the Amazon, since humans did that and (I’m assuming) you’re human

The point is that we should constantly demand better of our governments and leaders, but that doesn’t require throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I don’t think anyone should want to completely defund the people working on maintaining radios for EMS and 911 if they happen to work in a building next to people that spend 10% of their time making missile guidance systems

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3. aguaviva ◴[] No.41900599[source]
Except in terms of aligning oneself with that $COMPLETELY_UNRELATED_EVIL, individually one has essentially zero choice.

But in terms of aligning oneself with $COMPANY and its various endeavours (whatever one may make of them -- as an individual, one generally has vastly greater choice.

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4. subjectsigma ◴[] No.41911091[source]
Yes, and I’m not proud of everything I do, but I’m proud of what I do, if that makes sense. I’ve had enough conversations with people on moral high horses to know that doesn’t matter to you, though. Go back to brainwashing people with ads or whatever you do