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365 points lawrenceyan | 4 comments | 17 Oct 24 19:13 UTC | HN request time: 0.901s | source
1. imranhou ◴[18 Oct 24 00:29 UTC] No.41875226[source]▶
From the page: "We also show that our model outperforms AlphaZero's policy and value networks (without MCTS) and GPT-3.5-turbo-instruct."

Why compare this to GPT-3.5-turbo-instruct? Is that near SOTA in this space?

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2. og_kalu ◴[18 Oct 24 00:56 UTC] No.41875394[source]▶
As far as anyone knows, 3.5-turbo-instruct is the best chess playing (certainly it was at the time of the paper) LLM. About 1800 Elo and < 0.1% Illegal move rate. It's unclear why it was so much better than 4 (lack of RLHF?, Data?) and I don't know if anyone has bothered to test 4o similarly but it was pretty big news online at the time.
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3. Davidzheng ◴[18 Oct 24 09:01 UTC] No.41877569[source]▶
OA definitely purposefully trained its chess strength
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4. og_kalu ◴[18 Oct 24 15:45 UTC] No.41880481{3}[source]▶
I'm sure they did but there's no reason to believe they pretrained it on chess anymore than 4 so there's some speculation the post training processes mess things up. Turbo instruct does not go through RLHF for instance.