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Calavar ◴[] No.41861254[source]
We've lost a lot with the deletion of this repo. Not the code - that's already out in the ether - but the absurdist comedy of the issues, pull requests, and commit history of trying to piecemeal delete third party non-FOSS software.
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abbbi ◴[] No.41861434[source]
sorry, but this was a real shitshow. I dont understand: wtf makes people think spamming an repo in the way they did is in any way useful?
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Calavar ◴[] No.41861505[source]
The meme/troll issues were edgy teen style humor and not that funny, but the legitimate ones that tried to gently explain what rebase does and went completely ignored were funny because they felt surreal and hyperreal at the same time. Office-Space-esque comedy.
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delfinom ◴[] No.41861666[source]
The troll issues are exactly why my OSS group does not use GitHub at all. It's become a toxic platform for quite awhile.
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armada651 ◴[] No.41861711[source]
That's just the reality of any platform that doesn't gatekeep who gets to participate. Eventually assholes are going to join, that's simply unavoidable.
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jen729w ◴[] No.41863497[source]
# Well-Kept Gardens Die By Pacifism

> Good online communities die primarily by refusing to defend themselves.

> Somewhere in the vastness of the Internet, it is happening even now. It was once a well-kept garden of intelligent discussion, where knowledgeable and interested folk came, attracted by the high quality of speech they saw ongoing. But into this garden comes a fool, and the level of discussion drops a little—or more than a little, if the fool is very prolific in their posting. (It is worse if the fool is just articulate enough that the former inhabitants of the garden feel obliged to respond, and correct misapprehensions—for then the fool dominates conversations.)

Read the whole thing:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tscc3e5eujrsEeFN4/well-kept-...

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nine_k ◴[] No.41864114[source]
Pacifism only works if there is someone who can protect the pacifist.

In the Christian religion, God ultimately protects the virtuous pacifists by putting them in Heaven, away from bullies. In an online forum, there's no transcendental force to render such a service, so...

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weinzierl ◴[] No.41867175[source]
This is only true for a very narrow definition of pacifism. It is the literal reading of Matthew 5:39.

But not even all Christian scholars subscribe to that definition, let alone pacifists in general. Many pacifists are perfectly ok with self-defense.

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nine_k ◴[] No.41867879[source]
Certainly, not all Christians are pacifists, and not all pacifists are Christians.

But, to my mind, pacifists choose to not fight back by definition, or that would be violence, so their prolonged existence is only possible because other social mechanisms hold back violence which would destroy them. Interaction with these mechanisms may be the point of holding a pacifist position: say, a monk or a nun may have a higher moral authority because of a declared personal abstinence from any violence, and hence indirectly incentivize lay people to protect them.

Of course there are people who call themselves pacifists but admit a right for self-defense, but only not organized or military; such a position again is only possible when someone else would partake in a defensive warfare and protect them.

Abstaining from aggression while being ready and willing to respond to aggression with full force, lethal when required, looks to me like the most logical "lawful good" position. It has a chance to produce an equilibrium when multiple parties live in peace for a long time, and any violent deviations are quashed.

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tharkun__ ◴[] No.41872852[source]

    say, a monk or a nun may have a higher moral authority because of a declared personal abstinence from any violence, and hence indirectly incentivize lay people to protect them.
To take that a step further, making the pacifist definition even narrower, wouldn't such a pacifist be a hypocrite?

Abstaining from violence at the expense of others putting themselves in harms way to protect them?

Shouldn't they try to make these "lay people" abstain from violence as well?

But then who is left to defend the pacifists?

Does that mean in the face of outside aggressors all pacifists will die soon or live horrible lives under oppression from the aggressor?

Which I guess is OK for them if they believe that something better is available for them in 'heaven'?

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1. nine_k ◴[] No.41873846[source]
Not necessarily, or even not likely a hypocrite. If keeping the ritual cleanliness is important for the monk's job, that is, having a better contact with the divine for the benefit of those around him, this is just specialization. The monk likely also abstains from other things, like eating meat, or having sex, which is a part of the same self-sacrifice for the sake of his service.

It would be hypocrisy if the monk commanded others to fight instead of him, while also declaring that he finds violence morally debasing and thus unacceptable for himself. But I don't think that laypeople would respect such a figure.