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Crazyontap ◴[] No.41866060[source]
When I was younger, I was fascinated by evolution, especially the intricacies of how things just work. This fascination also explains why many people believe in the intelligent design theory.

However, witnessing the rapid evolution of AI with just a few hundred GPUs, enough data, and power, I no longer wonder what a billion years of feedback loops and randomness can achieve.

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nkrisc ◴[] No.41867834[source]
The fascination with “intelligent design” is cherry-picking. The is no shortage of “unintelligent design” in the natural world.

Take humans, for example. You can block your trachea and die through the simple act of eating. An intelligent (and omniscient) designer could have avoided that by better designing our overall our overall structure.

Or take the fact or ear bones are modified jaw bones. Or if you believe in intelligent design, ask why our intelligent designer thought it wise to link our jaw to our ears so that it’s hard to hear things when you’re chewing.

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smusamashah ◴[] No.41868279[source]
When you notice these flaws you are seeing it in very very short term. What we are today is what eventually worked for a million years. The design you see today is the way it is because it had to be robust enough (including those problems) to survive to this day.

The examples you quote do look like a problem today, but I think they must have worked to some benefit to bring us here.

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1. nkrisc ◴[] No.41868301[source]
Yes, you’re describing evolution.
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2. smusamashah ◴[] No.41868325[source]
I am. I am also saying you can not design us any better than what we are today. You can't look into next billion years. Whatever becomes of us at the point will the best design at that point. The optimal design you are suggesting has zero guarantees to keep working.

If anything, your optimal design is just another mutation that may or may not survive time.

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3. nkrisc ◴[] No.41868348[source]
You could if you were an intelligent designer designing humans completely from scratch a mere 10,000 years ago after you created the universe.

Which is the absurdity I’m pointing out.

4. albedoa ◴[] No.41868539[source]
It honestly seems like you misread, misunderstood, or lost track of the comment that you originally replied to.
5. latexr ◴[] No.41868717[source]
> I am also saying you can not design us any better than what we are today.

Of course you can. We could regenerate limbs like a lizard’s tail, keep growing teeth like a shark, not require so many different types of foods to survive healthily… The list goes on and on.

6. lioeters ◴[] No.41868723[source]
> you can not design us any better

I disagree, evolution is not perfect nor intelligent (as far as we know). It's never the "best design" that survives, it's always "good enough for now", merely better than other solutions at the time. A billion years of good enough is not necessarily the best it can be theoretically.

I'm sure we can find examples of living processes that are dumb and inefficient, with obvious room for improvement, but have survived for millenia simply because it was good enough.

7. wruza ◴[] No.41868825[source]
You absolutely can. Moreover, assuming enough technological and cultural evolution in e.g. 1000-10000 years, it will likely be done, if not completely replaced and redesigned.

The fact that conditions change doesn’t make your current form ideal.

Speaking of conditions.

In 5 billion years there will be no need for natural selection cause Earth will dip into the exploding Sun and evolution game will be over. Nothing will keep working. Even in 1B years it will be pretty hot outside. We’ll have no time for that “optimal” crap anymore, starting now tbh, considering our stupid tribal nature and the complexity of overcoming it.

Btw, if we fail to continue our current civilization, there will be no another civilization, cause we’ve drained all under-your-feet resources long ago. The next civilization will be forever farmers slowly burned by a star.

We absolutely can escape this fate by finding something much better than a bare minimum.

Edit: messed up numbers, fixed