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VonGuard ◴[] No.41861368[source]
This is a cautionary tale for preservationists. My current preservation project is still not open because we are very slowly reviewing the code to make sure we don't accidentally include any IP when we open the source code. The real things that get you are similar to what happened here: codecs, graphics libraries, and a really big one to look out for is fonts. It'd be great if there was a scanner that could detect this stuff, but unfortunately, the scanning tools out there tend to go the other way like Black Duck: they detect open source code, not closed source.
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londons_explore ◴[] No.41861524[source]
The thing is, the vast majority of graphics libraries from 1992 the IP owner no longer cares about, and the code usually has nearly zero commercial value.

I wish more were brave enough to just publish it with an open license, and then if the owner complains you take it down and rewrite.

Any damages for distributing 30 year old source code are hopefully in the single-digit-dollars range anyway.

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Loudergood ◴[] No.41861596[source]
The problem is you'll get crushed by legal fees in the meantime.
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londons_explore ◴[] No.41861620[source]
but if courts gave out damages of $10 for this sort of offence (taking into account the very low commercial value of the IP stolen), then very few people would even bother pursuing it in court.
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VonGuard ◴[] No.41861650[source]
Courts do not do that. The people suing would offer up a big old list of damages into the millions and then negotiate down from there to something like 6 figures AND the loser covering the court costs. The American legal system is completely broken, and amounts to two people piling up money, then the one with the bigger stack wins both stacks of money. This is completely untenable for a non-profit to even think about, let alone to incur the risk.
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burningChrome ◴[] No.41861948[source]
>> The people suing would offer up a big old list of damages into the millions and then negotiate down from there

You're assuming an awful lot with this.

- No defendant is going to negotiate a settlement out of court. They would force you to hire an attorney and force this to a trial because of how absurd it is.

Then you would be left with other major issues:

- One that any IP law firm would take a case like this on to begin with.

- The little upside for any firm litigating a case where the software is 30+ years old, effectively abandoned and has little if any resell value.

- Then even if some firm did want to take a swing at it, getting this in front of a judge who would even consider the case would be a huge hurdle as well. We're not even considering having to deal with a jury trial either which would also be even harder to win.

- Even if the defendant refused to negotiate pre-trial, and you somehow managed to finagle yourself into a civil bench or jury trial, trying to convince anybody that the plaintiff has somehow sustained financial damages on 30+ year old software that is no longer being used and has no resale value is almost impossible.

The US courts are not perfect, but these kinds of cases rarely see the inside of a court room and for good reason.

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1. martinsnow ◴[] No.41866949[source]
If you're willing to take on such an economical risk, why don't you pony up the money and start serving the content?