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Reflections on Palantir

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tdeck ◴[] No.41861823[source]
> During the 2016-2020 era especially, telling people you worked at Palantir was unpopular. The company was seen as spy tech, NSA surveillance, or worse.

Lots of people still see it in exactly this way. The fact that Palantir IPO'd and is a magnet for investors doesn't contradict this. Palantir always had a reputation for champagne and surveillance.

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orochimaaru ◴[] No.41862142[source]
So does AT&T and Verizon which would fall in the morally neutral category. Even big tech - Google/meta are probably classified as morally neutral but in reality gray areas. The US government probably has access to all that data - with our without warrants.

I also agree with his premise. There is really no gray area working for defense tech in the US. In my opinion people have a rather lopsided view of that. You would rarely find any other nation that where defense tech companies are turned away from job fairs. Kinda ridiculous.

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stackskipton ◴[] No.41862260[source]
>You would rarely find any other nation that where defense tech companies are turned away from job fairs. Kinda ridiculous.

Probably because US MIC is weird political place. On one hand, it's turns out really cool tech and US needs defense. On other hand, who are we defending from and why are spending all this money on world police when we have a ton of internal problems? Throw in some pork barrel in there to add to political stuff.

When people post memes about "You are about to find out why US doesn't have free healthcare." with some overwhelming American firepower equipment in the image, it's not hard to see why a lot of people find it a grey area.

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psunavy03 ◴[] No.41862661[source]
> On other hand, who are we defending from and why are spending all this money on world police when we have a ton of internal problems?

Because someone has to be this if you want the continuation of the post-WWII rules-based international order that underpins the entire global economy. The Department of Defense and US hegemony are essentially overhead that is the Least Bad Option to stop WWIII from kicking off or the world from fragmenting into spheres of influence (which is starting to happen already). Who else would do this and not screw over everyone else even worse? Russia? China?

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mistermann ◴[] No.41863006{3}[source]
Force is only one of many methods to achieve certain outcomes, not all methods that could achieve the same general outcome are known, very little cognitive effort is put into searching for alternatives, leaving few options other than speculation if one is obligated to form a conclusion on the matter.
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scottyah ◴[] No.41864861{4}[source]
All deliberate actions to achieve certain outcomes are "force", it is a scale not a binary option.
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mistermann ◴[] No.41865077{5}[source]
I am skeptical, let's run an experiment and see what the response is:

Is feeding the homeless so they are not hungry "force"?

Is lending a compassionate ear to someone suffering so they may feel a bit better "force"?

Is making myself a nice sandwich and watching a movie because I find it pleasant "force"?

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1. shiroiushi ◴[] No.41866606{6}[source]
>Is making myself a nice sandwich and watching a movie because I find it pleasant "force"?

To the chicken, turkey, pig, or cow that died to make the meat in your sandwich, definitely yes.

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2. wonnage ◴[] No.41867485[source]
the mental gymnastics it took to write this hot take must be "force" too
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3. mistermann ◴[] No.41871330[source]
At least there is a logical path in that claim (if we ignore that I didn't specify that there was meat in the sandwich...I do eat a lot of plain tomato sandwiches, but not exclusively, so I do to some degree drive demand for animal slaughter)!

I think it's kind of neat that we got from Palantir to sandwiches... I wonder if Palantir's software supports mapping metaphysical causality like this, because bizarre metaphysical causality is the root cause of war in the first place!

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4. scottyah ◴[] No.41873987{3}[source]
You're the one who directly took us from Palantir to sandwiches, in a clear attempt to distract from the core subject of manipulating humans on a mass scale without using "force"
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5. mistermann ◴[] No.41875646{4}[source]
Guilty as charged.

Do you think this is necessarily a bad thing?