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jakub_g ◴[] No.41863841[source]
Something that is not clear to me about passkeys and makes me uneasy to start using them:

Are passkeys replacing passwords, 2FA, or both?

What if I created a passkey on some device, lost that device, and my passkeys aren't cloud-backed-up? Would I be able to recover my account, or it's doomed? Or does it depend on how a given website implemented it?

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1. dwaite ◴[] No.41866433[source]
> Are passkeys replacing passwords, 2FA, or both?

The minimum bar is replacing passwords with something more secure for the user.

If the site wants more specific factors or characteristics of authentication (such as a non-cloneable possession factor) then only some authenticators provide that today themselves. For someone using a synced software provider, they will need to do an additional step to meet this sort of requirement.

Factors aren't nearly as solid as they are made out to be - my SMS OTP is synched to all my devices, my TOTP keys come from a software implementation right alongside my password - which isn't a true knowledge factor because it was auto-generated for me. Password managers and other software have long put us on the path of sites leveraging externalized authentication processes and policies, similar to how they might do this explicitly by accepting federation.

> What if I created a passkey on some device, lost that device, and my passkeys aren't cloud-backed-up? Would I be able to recover my account, or it's doomed? Or does it depend on how a given website implemented it?

The syncing is meant to make it harder to lose the passkey. Sites still ultimately have to have a recovery process when someone does lose access.

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2. ForHackernews ◴[] No.41867819[source]
> Sites still ultimately have to have a recovery process when someone does lose access.

Do they? Is that legally mandated somewhere, or can they just say "You're stuffed, make a new account if you want"?

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3. jesseendahl ◴[] No.41869205[source]
Account recovery flows are generally entirely unaffected by the move from password to passkey.

It’s just your login credential.

If you lose either a password or a passkey, you do the same thing: reset and set a new one via email recovery.

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4. jakub_g ◴[] No.41871234{3}[source]
This exactly where my distinction about "what the passkey actually is" is important: if it's only a password, then I assume I can do the recovery. Whereas if it's 2FA, I assume I can't.